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The BBC title is misleading. The article is clear that it was British Audi _dealers_ that lied about the cars having done the Euro NCAP safety tests.

by casca 12y ago

migstopheles 12y ago
"Audi's UK head office falsely claimed that the entire Audi range was Euro NCAP safety tested". So not just the dealers?
SixSigma 12y ago
The BBC has click baity headlines throughout. Notice the quote marks around "lied", which means that the BBC is reporting that someone told them that Audi lied. Which is, no doubt, a true statement regardless of whether Audi did or not.
- Eye_of_Mordor 12y ago
  A "lie" requires intent as per the response that "Audi UK said there had not been any deliberate intent to mislead". Audi dealers did make false claims which were misleading. You would need something in writing, like an email for example, to provide the intent and then uncover the "lies".
  - SixSigma 12y ago
    It has nothing to do with what Audio did or didn't do. The BBC is quoting what a third party said to them, a constant theme with modern reporting. "Audi lied to me," said man.
    - DanBC 12y ago
      The BBC is accurately using quotes because they are quoting something. That's good, especially since the quote is from a BBC programme (BBC Watchdog - a populist consumer affairs programme). That programme will operate under strict BBC guidelines and so if they claim that some part of Audo is lying it is more credible than some random man claiming it. The problem is not with the quote marks, but with the BBC using its own programs as a source of news. This is a reasonable example but they do it all the time. This cross-promotion is annoying and I'm surprised the BBC news seems happy to allow it to continue.
      - UVB-76 12y ago
        > The problem is not with the quote marks, but with the BBC using its own programs as a source of news. I don't see anything wrong with that. Although separate from BBC News, much of the work done by the BBC Watchdog team constitutes investigative journalism. Standard procedure is for revelations to be publicised in advance of the show to drive interest in the show. The number of other major news outlets reporting these revelations suggest they are certainly newsworthy.
- smackfu 12y ago
  Telegraph uses the same construction: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/10828885/Audi-salesmen-lied-about-safety-credentials.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/10828885/Audi-sales...
- UVB-76 12y ago
  The use of quotation marks is grammatically and journalistically correct. An impartial news organization should not report the accusations of third parties as fact; it should present them for what they are. You will see the same thing in coverage of court trials. Prosecutors are wont to make many bold accusations, many of which will be found to be false or unsubstantiated. It is imperative that journalists present these as mere accusations, and quotation marks are an effective way of doing so.

The BBC title is misleading. The article is clear that it was British Audi _dealers_ that lied about the cars having done the Euro NCAP safety tests.

by casca 12y ago

The BBC title is misleading. The article is clear that it was British Audi _dealers_ that lied about the cars having done the Euro NCAP safety tests.

migstopheles 12y ago

"Audi's UK head office falsely claimed that the entire Audi range was Euro NCAP safety tested". So not just the dealers?

SixSigma 12y ago

The BBC has click baity headlines throughout. Notice the quote marks around "lied", which means that the BBC is reporting that someone told them that Audi lied. Which is, no doubt, a true statement regardless of whether Audi did or not.

Eye_of_Mordor 12y ago
A "lie" requires intent as per the response that "Audi UK said there had not been any deliberate intent to mislead". Audi dealers did make false claims which were misleading. You would need something in writing, like an email for example, to provide the intent and then uncover the "lies".
- SixSigma 12y ago
  It has nothing to do with what Audio did or didn't do. The BBC is quoting what a third party said to them, a constant theme with modern reporting. "Audi lied to me," said man.
  - DanBC 12y ago
    The BBC is accurately using quotes because they are quoting something. That's good, especially since the quote is from a BBC programme (BBC Watchdog - a populist consumer affairs programme). That programme will operate under strict BBC guidelines and so if they claim that some part of Audo is lying it is more credible than some random man claiming it. The problem is not with the quote marks, but with the BBC using its own programs as a source of news. This is a reasonable example but they do it all the time. This cross-promotion is annoying and I'm surprised the BBC news seems happy to allow it to continue.
    - UVB-76 12y ago
      > The problem is not with the quote marks, but with the BBC using its own programs as a source of news. I don't see anything wrong with that. Although separate from BBC News, much of the work done by the BBC Watchdog team constitutes investigative journalism. Standard procedure is for revelations to be publicised in advance of the show to drive interest in the show. The number of other major news outlets reporting these revelations suggest they are certainly newsworthy.
smackfu 12y ago
Telegraph uses the same construction: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/10828885/Audi-salesmen-lied-about-safety-credentials.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/10828885/Audi-sales...
UVB-76 12y ago
The use of quotation marks is grammatically and journalistically correct. An impartial news organization should not report the accusations of third parties as fact; it should present them for what they are. You will see the same thing in coverage of court trials. Prosecutors are wont to make many bold accusations, many of which will be found to be false or unsubstantiated. It is imperative that journalists present these as mere accusations, and quotation marks are an effective way of doing so.