It's nice to see these thoughts at the top of the thread. I get tired of hearing people in the security industry constantly smirking at "dump developers". The

It's nice to see these thoughts at the top of the thread. I get tired of hearing people in the security industry constantly smirking at "dump developers". They don't have a clue what it's like to develop real code with deadlines. They point fingers at others and call that an accomplishment.