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I say that a lot and I feel like .NET is loosing relevance. Embracing open source and making Linux a first-class citizen in the eco system would be the only way

by dev360 12y ago

I say that a lot and I feel like .NET is loosing relevance. Embracing open source and making Linux a first-class citizen in the eco system would be the only way for .NET to increase adoption or stay technologically relevant, and unfortunately its happening too slow.

justathrow2k 12y ago
Too slow for what? Are you suggesting that .NET technology is traveling on a steady path towards becoming irrelevant?
- dev360 12y ago
  Yes. Most users of .NET is in the enterprise (as opposed to tech and startups) and Java has positioned itself as the go-to platform for big data analytics and processing. I think this comes down to clinging to an antiquated product model. A lot of the technologies that are seeing rapid adoption are open source and driven by transparent communities. In some cases companies back them (e.g. cloudera, datastax, 10gen, typesafe).
  - soAsian 12y ago
    >Yes. Most users of .NET is in the enterprise (as opposed to tech and startups) what do you mean by tech? startups is too cool to associate themselves with Microsoft. >Java has positioned itself as the go-to platform for big data analytics and processing. F# >I think this comes down to clinging to an antiquated product model. .Net have always been a product aiming at LOB market. It is a replacement for VB6. > A lot of the technologies that are seeing rapid adoption are open source and driven by transparent communities. Oh yes, RoR is everywhere in corporate America and around the world. Node.js is what everyone is using for LOB.
  - jabits 12y ago
    And where exactly do you think most devs work? As far as startups go, and we may be usual, but we are a healthcare analytics company using Sql Server for medium? data and processing, with a pretty light .Net middleware/front-end.
    - dev360 12y ago
      Yes this might be true right now, but take a look at a lot of the tech startups are cropping up - humor yourself and look up a list of the tech ipos the last two years. They are overwhelmingly based on open source technology and they are also displacing or disrupting your traditional 'enterprise' businesses. Even though C# and .NET has a huge developer following, .NET is losing ground to OSS within the top traffic driving sites. 10 years ago, people would build their MVP in .NET because it was the best technology around, but nowadays I see more people building new businesses and placing their strategic technology bets elsewhere (Java/Python/Ruby or Node). A lot of these developers don't want to be married to the Windows eco-system, for a variety of reasons. Microsoft cannot continue to thrive on the sole basis of it being the only game in town anymore. So all in all what I'm trying to say is I don't think the long-term prospect is looking great.
mpeg 12y ago
How is .NET losing relevance? You can make mobile apps with Xamarin, and apps for any desktop OS thanks to Mono. You can make high-quality 2D/3D games with Unity You can make high-performance web applications with ASP.NET + IIS.
- dev360 12y ago
  Sure you can, but the technology of the future is not being built or run on windows stacks. You find it everywhere in the enterprise, yet almost every big new tech company that has come up in the last 10 years all rely primarily on open source technology.
  - mpeg 12y ago
    Xamarin / Mono and Unity run pretty much everywhere. Unity even runs on WebGL, none of this is tied to windows stacks. Also, Microsoft has a great startup programme with Bizspark, we built a company on it a few years ago that eventually ended up as part of a $700m acquisition
    - macca321 12y ago
      And ASP.NET will now run everywhere too (that's one major chunk of this vNext stuff).
      - mpeg 12y ago
        Of course, I was focusing on the current ecosystem. I'm very excited for the future of ASP.NET and C#
V-2 12y ago
Without Linux it's surely doomed. PS. I heard 2015 will be the year of Linux
- pmelendez 12y ago
  "PS. I heard 2015 will be the year of Linux" I heard that too in 2012[0], 2013 [1] and 2014 [2] [0] http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2012010900341OSOO http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2012010900341OSOO [1] http://www.finnbay.com/linus-torvalds-leadership-defines-2013-as-the-year-of-linux/ http://www.finnbay.com/linus-torvalds-leadership-defines-201... [2] http://meshedinsights.com/2014/03/14/2014-year-of-the-linux-desktop/ http://meshedinsights.com/2014/03/14/2014-year-of-the-linux-...
  - V-2 12y ago
    I know, that's the joke ;) (and it goes waaay further back than 2012...)

by dev360 12y ago

justathrow2k 12y ago

Too slow for what? Are you suggesting that .NET technology is traveling on a steady path towards becoming irrelevant?

dev360 12y ago
Yes. Most users of .NET is in the enterprise (as opposed to tech and startups) and Java has positioned itself as the go-to platform for big data analytics and processing. I think this comes down to clinging to an antiquated product model. A lot of the technologies that are seeing rapid adoption are open source and driven by transparent communities. In some cases companies back them (e.g. cloudera, datastax, 10gen, typesafe).
- soAsian 12y ago
  >Yes. Most users of .NET is in the enterprise (as opposed to tech and startups) what do you mean by tech? startups is too cool to associate themselves with Microsoft. >Java has positioned itself as the go-to platform for big data analytics and processing. F# >I think this comes down to clinging to an antiquated product model. .Net have always been a product aiming at LOB market. It is a replacement for VB6. > A lot of the technologies that are seeing rapid adoption are open source and driven by transparent communities. Oh yes, RoR is everywhere in corporate America and around the world. Node.js is what everyone is using for LOB.
- jabits 12y ago
  And where exactly do you think most devs work? As far as startups go, and we may be usual, but we are a healthcare analytics company using Sql Server for medium? data and processing, with a pretty light .Net middleware/front-end.
  - dev360 12y ago
    Yes this might be true right now, but take a look at a lot of the tech startups are cropping up - humor yourself and look up a list of the tech ipos the last two years. They are overwhelmingly based on open source technology and they are also displacing or disrupting your traditional 'enterprise' businesses. Even though C# and .NET has a huge developer following, .NET is losing ground to OSS within the top traffic driving sites. 10 years ago, people would build their MVP in .NET because it was the best technology around, but nowadays I see more people building new businesses and placing their strategic technology bets elsewhere (Java/Python/Ruby or Node). A lot of these developers don't want to be married to the Windows eco-system, for a variety of reasons. Microsoft cannot continue to thrive on the sole basis of it being the only game in town anymore. So all in all what I'm trying to say is I don't think the long-term prospect is looking great.

mpeg 12y ago

How is .NET losing relevance? You can make mobile apps with Xamarin, and apps for any desktop OS thanks to Mono. You can make high-quality 2D/3D games with Unity You can make high-performance web applications with ASP.NET + IIS.

dev360 12y ago
Sure you can, but the technology of the future is not being built or run on windows stacks. You find it everywhere in the enterprise, yet almost every big new tech company that has come up in the last 10 years all rely primarily on open source technology.
- mpeg 12y ago
  Xamarin / Mono and Unity run pretty much everywhere. Unity even runs on WebGL, none of this is tied to windows stacks. Also, Microsoft has a great startup programme with Bizspark, we built a company on it a few years ago that eventually ended up as part of a $700m acquisition
  - macca321 12y ago
    And ASP.NET will now run everywhere too (that's one major chunk of this vNext stuff).
    - mpeg 12y ago
      Of course, I was focusing on the current ecosystem. I'm very excited for the future of ASP.NET and C#

V-2 12y ago

Without Linux it's surely doomed. PS. I heard 2015 will be the year of Linux

pmelendez 12y ago
"PS. I heard 2015 will be the year of Linux" I heard that too in 2012[0], 2013 [1] and 2014 [2] [0] http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2012010900341OSOO http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2012010900341OSOO [1] http://www.finnbay.com/linus-torvalds-leadership-defines-2013-as-the-year-of-linux/ http://www.finnbay.com/linus-torvalds-leadership-defines-201... [2] http://meshedinsights.com/2014/03/14/2014-year-of-the-linux-desktop/ http://meshedinsights.com/2014/03/14/2014-year-of-the-linux-...
- V-2 12y ago
  I know, that's the joke ;) (and it goes waaay further back than 2012...)