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I was confused by the ham radio line. How does ham radio have anything to do with internet protocols? Are they worried about TCP/IP over packet radio? Seems lik

by guelo 13y ago

I was confused by the ham radio line. How does ham radio have anything to do with internet protocols? Are they worried about TCP/IP over packet radio? Seems like a very fringe concern.

nknighthb 13y ago
Internet protocols have been used by ham radio operators for decades. 44/8 was allocated to amateur packet radio in the 1970s. And as I alluded to in my comment, the same WiFi you probably used to post your comment is also frequently used under Part 97 (amateur radio) rules.
wmf 13y ago
Yes, some hams have been saying "please don't encrypt all Internet protocols because then I wouldn't be able to enjoy my hobby of running those protocols over ham radio", which seems incredibly selfish.
- JoshTriplett 13y ago
  It'll be easy enough to run vintage protocols (like unencrypted HTTP or IP) over amateur radio, and bridge them to secure protocols on the other end. Amateur radio links just won't be able to route end-to-end-encrypted traffic, and that doesn't seem like a severe limitation. From what I've seen, amateur radio links typically form the last hop in the chain between a base station and a remote endpoint, so just terminate the end-to-end connection at the base station and transmit unencrypted to the endpoint.
- nknighthb 13y ago
  If they've said "please don't encrypt", they're making a much broader request than is necessary to comply. The only thing we really need is for a protocol to have some way for us to transmit a callsign in cleartext (otherwise there would have to be a break in data exchange every ~10 minutes for transmission of a callsign unencrypted). On WiFi this gets accomplished by setting the SSID to our callsign. The actual data could be encrypted, but we would have to record (and arguably publish) any keys (including session keys) used in the process.

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I was confused by the ham radio line. How does ham radio have anything to do with internet protocols? Are they worried about TCP/IP over packet radio? Seems lik

by guelo 13y ago

I was confused by the ham radio line. How does ham radio have anything to do with internet protocols? Are they worried about TCP/IP over packet radio? Seems like a very fringe concern.

nknighthb 13y ago
Internet protocols have been used by ham radio operators for decades. 44/8 was allocated to amateur packet radio in the 1970s. And as I alluded to in my comment, the same WiFi you probably used to post your comment is also frequently used under Part 97 (amateur radio) rules.
wmf 13y ago
Yes, some hams have been saying "please don't encrypt all Internet protocols because then I wouldn't be able to enjoy my hobby of running those protocols over ham radio", which seems incredibly selfish.
- JoshTriplett 13y ago
  It'll be easy enough to run vintage protocols (like unencrypted HTTP or IP) over amateur radio, and bridge them to secure protocols on the other end. Amateur radio links just won't be able to route end-to-end-encrypted traffic, and that doesn't seem like a severe limitation. From what I've seen, amateur radio links typically form the last hop in the chain between a base station and a remote endpoint, so just terminate the end-to-end connection at the base station and transmit unencrypted to the endpoint.
- nknighthb 13y ago
  If they've said "please don't encrypt", they're making a much broader request than is necessary to comply. The only thing we really need is for a protocol to have some way for us to transmit a callsign in cleartext (otherwise there would have to be a break in data exchange every ~10 minutes for transmission of a callsign unencrypted). On WiFi this gets accomplished by setting the SSID to our callsign. The actual data could be encrypted, but we would have to record (and arguably publish) any keys (including session keys) used in the process.