Yeah, that is alway the main issue. Getting people to talk to each other is very challenging. If you use an admittedly over simplistic explanation of DevOps as

Yeah, that is alway the main issue. Getting people to talk to each other is very challenging. If you use an admittedly over simplistic explanation of DevOps as getting someone who understands the final deployment environment to sit nearby the people who are making stuff. Then define Scrum as having someone who has some idea what the customers want sitting there too. You can get a ton done with just doing that. Sure it's always better if everyone knows everything. That was one of the things that makes small startup teams powerful. They spend very little time talking to people who are not empowered to make decisions.