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I'm ashamed to be french when I see this kind of horse shit. The internet is not compatible with their TOS.

by kubiiii 12y ago

dan_bk 12y ago
> I'm ashamed to be french No need to, it's just plain old cheap lawyer tactics, it's been around since the beginning of time: Scare people (i.e. by making them feel they're in danger) and they will do what you want. (Law seems complicated to non-lawyers, so lawyers make use of that, basically by communicating "I'm the specialist and you don't know anything about this domain, so do as I say") In the case of this story, all I'd suggest the owner of the app, to steer clear of legal issues, is: a) don't use their name, b) don't use their logo (or other very distinct parts of their Corporate Identity) c) re-launch your app (using proxies) EDIT: On second thought - they don't deserve your exclusive traffic/promotion/value you add. If you keep your app alive, you should multiply your sources (add as many similar sites as possible).
- kubiiii 12y ago
  It was more about the TOS than the lawyer letter. People from all around the world get to be ashamed by their lawyers.
skrebbel 12y ago
Why are all the French so ashamed to be French all the time? I've seen Frenchmen ashamed to be French when a Le Pen won something somewhere. I've seen Frenchmen ashamed to be French when an anti piracy group pirates a logo. I've seen Frenchmen ashamed to be French when some president felt the need to compensate for something by blowing up a nuclear bomb in the pacific. Somehow, anecdotally, being ashamed to be born somewhere is a particularly French phenomenon. Why? France has all the above things, but also a great healthcare system, nice people, a somewhat functional democracy, and many other great things. There's 60 million Frenchmen. Are you going to be ashamed every time one of them does something wrong? Do you expect them to be ashamed every time you do something wrong? Instead of shame, maybe it would be more constructive to organize and do something about it. The ivory tower of the French political elite is notorious, but not unsurmountable.
- smonff 12y ago
  It would be a pointless anyway to be ashamed to be French because of leboncoin.fr as the stuff is based on a Swedish technology
- jmnicolas 12y ago
  Because we were once a great nation, so we have high expectations about how we are perceived in the world. I agree there's nothing to be ashamed here, especially as leboncoin position is quite understandable (and their tone not that menacing).
- kubiiii 12y ago
  You might have a point. Imagine that I am ashamed at having been ashamed, and I'm often ashamed at french being ashamed for random reasons. Maybe we have too high expectations.
- jphalimi 12y ago
  This is not a French phenomenon. There is a difference between political affairs, such as extreme rights winning elections and a nuclear bomb explosion, than your neighbor being an asshole. Being ashamed of something means people you consider in the same group as you do things you find not acceptable (it could be a country, as it's the case here, but also a community, a football team or whatever). In fact, being ashamed shows you'd prefer this entity to react differently to make you and the group you're considering better. Yes, we should be ashamed when someone does something wrong. In fact, we shouldn't be ashamed to be ashamed of some dumb decision. Being ashamed doesn't mean we are not doing anything else about it. You've seen Frenchmen being ashamed to be French, and that's OK. It means they're not thinking their country is the best, but they can also learn from their mistakes. And I am proud of this, as a French person, too, though I am ashamed of LeBonCoin's strategy.
- madeofpalk 12y ago
  Americans are ashamed of being American, Australians are ashamed of being Australian, the French are ashamed of being French. It's a pretty common thing across every culture where people attribute the bad things that happen around them to the geography or culture when in reality, there are crappy drivers all over the world.
dreewoo 12y ago
A lot of websites use similar rules in their TOS. I think those terms are deliberately broad so they can cover a lot of use cases if necessary.

I'm ashamed to be french when I see this kind of horse shit. The internet is not compatible with their TOS.

by kubiiii 12y ago

I'm ashamed to be french when I see this kind of horse shit. The internet is not compatible with their TOS.

> I'm ashamed to be french No need to, it's just plain old cheap lawyer tactics, it's been around since the beginning of time: Scare people (i.e. by making them feel they're in danger) and they will do what you want. (Law seems complicated to non-lawyers, so lawyers make use of that, basically by communicating "I'm the specialist and you don't know anything about this domain, so do as I say") In the case of this story, all I'd suggest the owner of the app, to steer clear of legal issues, is: a) don't use their name, b) don't use their logo (or other very distinct parts of their Corporate Identity) c) re-launch your app (using proxies) EDIT: On second thought - they don't deserve your exclusive traffic/promotion/value you add. If you keep your app alive, you should multiply your sources (add as many similar sites as possible).

kubiiii 12y ago
It was more about the TOS than the lawyer letter. People from all around the world get to be ashamed by their lawyers.

skrebbel 12y ago

Why are all the French so ashamed to be French all the time? I've seen Frenchmen ashamed to be French when a Le Pen won something somewhere. I've seen Frenchmen ashamed to be French when an anti piracy group pirates a logo. I've seen Frenchmen ashamed to be French when some president felt the need to compensate for something by blowing up a nuclear bomb in the pacific. Somehow, anecdotally, being ashamed to be born somewhere is a particularly French phenomenon. Why? France has all the above things, but also a great healthcare system, nice people, a somewhat functional democracy, and many other great things. There's 60 million Frenchmen. Are you going to be ashamed every time one of them does something wrong? Do you expect them to be ashamed every time you do something wrong? Instead of shame, maybe it would be more constructive to organize and do something about it. The ivory tower of the French political elite is notorious, but not unsurmountable.

smonff 12y ago
It would be a pointless anyway to be ashamed to be French because of leboncoin.fr as the stuff is based on a Swedish technology
jmnicolas 12y ago
Because we were once a great nation, so we have high expectations about how we are perceived in the world. I agree there's nothing to be ashamed here, especially as leboncoin position is quite understandable (and their tone not that menacing).
kubiiii 12y ago
You might have a point. Imagine that I am ashamed at having been ashamed, and I'm often ashamed at french being ashamed for random reasons. Maybe we have too high expectations.
jphalimi 12y ago
This is not a French phenomenon. There is a difference between political affairs, such as extreme rights winning elections and a nuclear bomb explosion, than your neighbor being an asshole. Being ashamed of something means people you consider in the same group as you do things you find not acceptable (it could be a country, as it's the case here, but also a community, a football team or whatever). In fact, being ashamed shows you'd prefer this entity to react differently to make you and the group you're considering better. Yes, we should be ashamed when someone does something wrong. In fact, we shouldn't be ashamed to be ashamed of some dumb decision. Being ashamed doesn't mean we are not doing anything else about it. You've seen Frenchmen being ashamed to be French, and that's OK. It means they're not thinking their country is the best, but they can also learn from their mistakes. And I am proud of this, as a French person, too, though I am ashamed of LeBonCoin's strategy.
madeofpalk 12y ago
Americans are ashamed of being American, Australians are ashamed of being Australian, the French are ashamed of being French. It's a pretty common thing across every culture where people attribute the bad things that happen around them to the geography or culture when in reality, there are crappy drivers all over the world.

dreewoo 12y ago

A lot of websites use similar rules in their TOS. I think those terms are deliberately broad so they can cover a lot of use cases if necessary.