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This is a guy who was actively involved in plots that did cause bodily harm, and continued to say he had no interest in being captured and would actively fight

by d23 12y ago

This is a guy who was actively involved in plots that did cause bodily harm, and continued to say he had no interest in being captured and would actively fight with violence any attempts to do so. If we have a case for using lethal force at all, I'd say this would be an appropriate instance.

bradleyjg 12y ago
Has proof of that he was involved in any plots been publicly presented anywhere? Based on the public record it looks like he was killed for exercising his First Amendment rights, albiet in a repugnant fashion.
- wavefunction 12y ago
  This would all be a moot point if there had been a trial held (even in absentia). These guys are destroying the best parts of America because they're lazy, they're incompetent and/or they don't respect the Rule of Law. Any of these three reasons is sufficient not to allow anyone involved in these criminal acts to prosper, flourish, or succeed in any meaningful way in our country.
fleitz 12y ago
Yes, and when we find out someone has murdered someone we send the police to apprehend them. Sometimes the interaction between the police and the suspect leads to the suspect being shot and an investigation takes place as to whether that was warranted. I see no way in which the drones sent could be reasonably explained as attempting to apprehend or arrest the subject.
- Canada 12y ago
  > Yes, and when we find out someone has murdered someone we send the police to apprehend them. Is there any proof or evidence? It seems the lack of evidence made public is why people are upset.
  - fleitz 12y ago
    There is not even an assertion, no charges were ever filed against the accused in the US.
    - Canada 12y ago
      Was any public announcement made that he was a target? Or was he killed without warning?
      - fleitz 12y ago
        Yeah, his father knew, sued the US gov't and they had it dismissed because it was a 'political issue'
CamperBob2 12y ago
I don't know about you, but all I know about al-Awlaki is what I've heard from the US government.
- saraid216 12y ago
  Ignorance: the best argument for life.
  - CamperBob2 12y ago
    If only there were a legal process for resolving ignorance and uncertainty.
    - anigbrowl 12y ago
      Then again, you could just go to YouTube and watch any of the many video lectures in which al-Awlaki lays out his ideas about jihad and so forth. Saying you only know what the government tells you about him just demonstrates a lack of interest in doing any research of your own.
      - CamperBob2 12y ago
        Fair enough, I haven't done that. Still, the prosecution of capital crimes, even self-confessed ones, involves well-defined legal processes. Those processes don't, and shouldn't, include assassination in cold blood.
        anigbrowl 12y ago
        I don't think a trial is the be-all and end-all of due process where military conflict is concerned, but I see where you're coming from. We're unlikely to agree about this as I have a considerably more hawkish view on foreign policy matters than you do, I think.
        CamperBob2 12y ago

by d23 12y ago

bradleyjg 12y ago

Has proof of that he was involved in any plots been publicly presented anywhere? Based on the public record it looks like he was killed for exercising his First Amendment rights, albiet in a repugnant fashion.

wavefunction 12y ago
This would all be a moot point if there had been a trial held (even in absentia). These guys are destroying the best parts of America because they're lazy, they're incompetent and/or they don't respect the Rule of Law. Any of these three reasons is sufficient not to allow anyone involved in these criminal acts to prosper, flourish, or succeed in any meaningful way in our country.

fleitz 12y ago

Yes, and when we find out someone has murdered someone we send the police to apprehend them. Sometimes the interaction between the police and the suspect leads to the suspect being shot and an investigation takes place as to whether that was warranted. I see no way in which the drones sent could be reasonably explained as attempting to apprehend or arrest the subject.

Canada 12y ago
> Yes, and when we find out someone has murdered someone we send the police to apprehend them. Is there any proof or evidence? It seems the lack of evidence made public is why people are upset.
- fleitz 12y ago
  There is not even an assertion, no charges were ever filed against the accused in the US.
  - Canada 12y ago
    Was any public announcement made that he was a target? Or was he killed without warning?
    - fleitz 12y ago
      Yeah, his father knew, sued the US gov't and they had it dismissed because it was a 'political issue'

CamperBob2 12y ago

I don't know about you, but all I know about al-Awlaki is what I've heard from the US government.

saraid216 12y ago
Ignorance: the best argument for life.
- CamperBob2 12y ago
  If only there were a legal process for resolving ignorance and uncertainty.
  - anigbrowl 12y ago
    Then again, you could just go to YouTube and watch any of the many video lectures in which al-Awlaki lays out his ideas about jihad and so forth. Saying you only know what the government tells you about him just demonstrates a lack of interest in doing any research of your own.
    - CamperBob2 12y ago
      Fair enough, I haven't done that. Still, the prosecution of capital crimes, even self-confessed ones, involves well-defined legal processes. Those processes don't, and shouldn't, include assassination in cold blood.
      - anigbrowl 12y ago
        I don't think a trial is the be-all and end-all of due process where military conflict is concerned, but I see where you're coming from. We're unlikely to agree about this as I have a considerably more hawkish view on foreign policy matters than you do, I think.
        CamperBob2 12y ago