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Could you please explain how it is not peaceful?

by robhu 12y ago

wyager 12y ago
Just because they don't physically beat the guy up or shoot him doesn't mean it's peaceful. When someone in a position of authority uses their authority to try to bully you into doing something, that is not peaceful.
- robhu 12y ago
  I don't know if there's a difference here between the US and the UK (I'm from the UK, like the Twitter person, I assume you may be in the US). I don't see how the police did not act peacefully. He would have had the option as to whether to allow the police in or not, and I don't see how them asking questions about what he did is bullying. The police did state several times that he had not committed a crime, and they were seeking information.
  - seabee 12y ago
    The alternative is you have the police judge you as a timewaster before investigating your claims, instead of after :)
trustfundbaby 12y ago
its called political intimidation. thats why its anything but peaceful.
freshhawk 12y ago
You could make an argument that it's technically "peaceful" since it wasn't violent. But it was clearly threatening, and meant to be be threatening. It's not like they were investigating any wrongdoing, since they acknowledged there was none. They were there to send the message that he had an enemy that pulled the strings of the law. It was intimidation. It's technically peaceful in the same way that me raising my fist while staring you in the eyes is technically peaceful, although that's a very barbaric type of threat while this was a very civilized one.
- robhu 12y ago
  I don't think UKIP 'pulled the strings of the law', I've read a lot of people say that they had visits from the police because someone (who was not famous or important) complained that they were acting in a socially inappropriate but probably not illegal manner (for example). To pull the strings of the law they'd need to exert some special influence that was not available to the ordinary person, but that is not the case here. Raising your fist clearly implies you are going to hit me if I don't agree. Here the police made it clear there was no crime committed and took no action when he said he wouldn't take it down.
  - wyager 12y ago
    >To pull the strings of the law they'd need to exert some special influence that was not available to the ordinary person, but that is not the case here. You're telling me that if I called the police and told them someone was making fun of me on twitter, they'd visit that person's house and ask them to stop?
    - nl 12y ago
      In some jurisdictions - yes, that absolutely happens.
      - wyager 12y ago
        >In some jurisdictions - yes, that absolutely happens. Which?
        seabee 12y ago
        The linked post is by someone in the UK, for example.
- DanBC 12y ago
  > It's technically peaceful in the same way that me raising my fist while staring you in the eyes is technically peaceful No, technically that would count as common assault which could get you arrested and charged or at least cautioned.

Could you please explain how it is not peaceful?

by robhu 12y ago

Could you please explain how it is not peaceful?

Just because they don't physically beat the guy up or shoot him doesn't mean it's peaceful. When someone in a position of authority uses their authority to try to bully you into doing something, that is not peaceful.

robhu 12y ago
I don't know if there's a difference here between the US and the UK (I'm from the UK, like the Twitter person, I assume you may be in the US). I don't see how the police did not act peacefully. He would have had the option as to whether to allow the police in or not, and I don't see how them asking questions about what he did is bullying. The police did state several times that he had not committed a crime, and they were seeking information.
- seabee 12y ago
  The alternative is you have the police judge you as a timewaster before investigating your claims, instead of after :)

trustfundbaby 12y ago

its called political intimidation. thats why its anything but peaceful.

freshhawk 12y ago

You could make an argument that it's technically "peaceful" since it wasn't violent. But it was clearly threatening, and meant to be be threatening. It's not like they were investigating any wrongdoing, since they acknowledged there was none. They were there to send the message that he had an enemy that pulled the strings of the law. It was intimidation. It's technically peaceful in the same way that me raising my fist while staring you in the eyes is technically peaceful, although that's a very barbaric type of threat while this was a very civilized one.

robhu 12y ago
I don't think UKIP 'pulled the strings of the law', I've read a lot of people say that they had visits from the police because someone (who was not famous or important) complained that they were acting in a socially inappropriate but probably not illegal manner (for example). To pull the strings of the law they'd need to exert some special influence that was not available to the ordinary person, but that is not the case here. Raising your fist clearly implies you are going to hit me if I don't agree. Here the police made it clear there was no crime committed and took no action when he said he wouldn't take it down.
- wyager 12y ago
  >To pull the strings of the law they'd need to exert some special influence that was not available to the ordinary person, but that is not the case here. You're telling me that if I called the police and told them someone was making fun of me on twitter, they'd visit that person's house and ask them to stop?
  - nl 12y ago
    In some jurisdictions - yes, that absolutely happens.
    - wyager 12y ago
      >In some jurisdictions - yes, that absolutely happens. Which?
      - seabee 12y ago
        The linked post is by someone in the UK, for example.
DanBC 12y ago
> It's technically peaceful in the same way that me raising my fist while staring you in the eyes is technically peaceful No, technically that would count as common assault which could get you arrested and charged or at least cautioned.