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Google cache of the original post: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:U53MirEmtHQJ:blog.8thlight.com/uncle-bob/2014/05/11/FrameworkWhipped.htm

Google cache of the original post: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:U53MirEmtHQJ:blog.8thlight.com/uncle-bob/2014/05/11/FrameworkWhipped.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:U53MirE... What's surprising is that @unclebobmartin didn't see anything offensive or wrong with what he wrote until a number of people pointed out that it indeed was: https://twitter.com/unclebobmartin/status/465519956088848384 https://twitter.com/unclebobmartin/status/465519956088848384

w1ntermute 12y ago
For if/when the Google cache disappears, I've mirrored the original post here: http://notehub.org/2014/5/11/framework-whipped http://notehub.org/2014/5/11/framework-whipped
IAE 12y ago
Is it really that bad? Did it send the message the response article is criticizing? The author states that she interpreted executive to mean man, secretary or assistant to be female. But this is never explicitly mentioned and it could just as well be the other way around. I might be wrong, and while Mr. Martin didn't write a stellar article- it contributed almost nothing and could be summed up with, "Beware of becoming too dependent on a framework."- I wonder if it's really so inherently sexist and misogynistic that it merits immediate action such as a takedown and public apology.
- LnxPrgr3 12y ago
  As I see it, it's using a strained metaphor framing his argument in terms of negative attitudes towards people (attitudes I think would be damaging no matter which genders they're applied to, but that are extra likely to hit a sore spot thanks to traditional gender roles) as a substitute for an actual argument. Ironically, I think his framing in terms of power between groups hurts his conclusion. Sure, some framework authors don't care about their users, but others do, and frameworks aren't equally overbearing. Much more interesting and useful would be an article on design decisions that lead to frameworks causing their users pain, and ways to avoid making those mistakes, or how to protect your own code from depending on a particular framework too heavily. Plus, an argument with real substance might kill the temptation to lean on strained metaphors in the first place.

w1ntermute 12y ago

For if/when the Google cache disappears, I've mirrored the original post here: http://notehub.org/2014/5/11/framework-whipped http://notehub.org/2014/5/11/framework-whipped

IAE 12y ago

Is it really that bad? Did it send the message the response article is criticizing? The author states that she interpreted executive to mean man, secretary or assistant to be female. But this is never explicitly mentioned and it could just as well be the other way around. I might be wrong, and while Mr. Martin didn't write a stellar article- it contributed almost nothing and could be summed up with, "Beware of becoming too dependent on a framework."- I wonder if it's really so inherently sexist and misogynistic that it merits immediate action such as a takedown and public apology.

LnxPrgr3 12y ago
As I see it, it's using a strained metaphor framing his argument in terms of negative attitudes towards people (attitudes I think would be damaging no matter which genders they're applied to, but that are extra likely to hit a sore spot thanks to traditional gender roles) as a substitute for an actual argument. Ironically, I think his framing in terms of power between groups hurts his conclusion. Sure, some framework authors don't care about their users, but others do, and frameworks aren't equally overbearing. Much more interesting and useful would be an article on design decisions that lead to frameworks causing their users pain, and ways to avoid making those mistakes, or how to protect your own code from depending on a particular framework too heavily. Plus, an argument with real substance might kill the temptation to lean on strained metaphors in the first place.