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Surely, in 2014 we can do better than CppCMS... srv.applications_pool().mount(cppcms::applications_factory<WebSite>()); Not doing us any favours there, at all

by acron0 12y ago

Surely, in 2014 we can do better than CppCMS... srv.applications_pool().mount(cppcms::applications_factory<WebSite>()); Not doing us any favours there, at all. C++ is crying out for a bit of 'hip' and there's really no reason, with C++11 now pretty ubiquitous, we can't have some Sinatra-inspired frameworks. What is it that really holds C++ back from being a solid choice for web frameworks?

vinkelhake 12y ago
> C++ is crying out for a bit of 'hip' It is? > What is it that really holds C++ back from being a solid choice for web frameworks? Language wise? Not much. It's more of a library and culture "problem". There's no inherent reason why C++ can't be used for web frameworks.
- waps 12y ago
  C++ would be an absolutely fantastic language if it were allowed to start from scratch library-wise. But that'll never happen.
  - flohofwoe 12y ago
    This is so true. The C++ stdlib has a few nice things (esp in C++11), but the most important part - the container classes - mostly suck (IMHO).
brandonhsiao 12y ago
What is it that really holds C++ back from being a solid choice for web frameworks? Its verbosity. I'll wager that it'll be a long time before a C++ web developer will be able to write faster code than an equally competent Python, Ruby, Haskell, or Clojure web developer.
- nly 12y ago
  The CppCMS blog implementation, according to CLOC, is about 3,200 lines. It supports comments, markdown, multiple database backends, LaTeX formulae, CAPTCHAs, caching, RSS feeds, and has an admin interface. That's a pretty dense result for an MVC framework without any magic. And how do you account for PHP? Oodles of documentation, fast iteration, and swaths of libraries out of the box seem to have trumped basically every other concern, including its absurd verbosity. Backend languages don't and shouldn't matter, especially when most webdev backend is no more sophisticated than your average CLI and you're probably going to end up spending most of your time dicking with CSS and HTML anyway. You could probably count equivalent productivity lost in tens of thousands of lines of C++, just scanning the dizzying array of loonybin.js frameworks for frontend work. I'd gleefully do any backend job in C++ if it meant someone else handing me the database schema and the frontend ready to go.

by acron0 12y ago

vinkelhake 12y ago

> C++ is crying out for a bit of 'hip' It is? > What is it that really holds C++ back from being a solid choice for web frameworks? Language wise? Not much. It's more of a library and culture "problem". There's no inherent reason why C++ can't be used for web frameworks.

waps 12y ago
C++ would be an absolutely fantastic language if it were allowed to start from scratch library-wise. But that'll never happen.
- flohofwoe 12y ago
  This is so true. The C++ stdlib has a few nice things (esp in C++11), but the most important part - the container classes - mostly suck (IMHO).

brandonhsiao 12y ago

What is it that really holds C++ back from being a solid choice for web frameworks? Its verbosity. I'll wager that it'll be a long time before a C++ web developer will be able to write faster code than an equally competent Python, Ruby, Haskell, or Clojure web developer.

nly 12y ago
The CppCMS blog implementation, according to CLOC, is about 3,200 lines. It supports comments, markdown, multiple database backends, LaTeX formulae, CAPTCHAs, caching, RSS feeds, and has an admin interface. That's a pretty dense result for an MVC framework without any magic. And how do you account for PHP? Oodles of documentation, fast iteration, and swaths of libraries out of the box seem to have trumped basically every other concern, including its absurd verbosity. Backend languages don't and shouldn't matter, especially when most webdev backend is no more sophisticated than your average CLI and you're probably going to end up spending most of your time dicking with CSS and HTML anyway. You could probably count equivalent productivity lost in tens of thousands of lines of C++, just scanning the dizzying array of loonybin.js frameworks for frontend work. I'd gleefully do any backend job in C++ if it meant someone else handing me the database schema and the frontend ready to go.