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Or just ditch PayPal altogether, and sign up for Google Checkout. Good advice. I used PayPal for the first time in years trying out listia.com the other day, a

by andreyf 17y ago

Or just ditch PayPal altogether, and sign up for Google Checkout. Good advice. I used PayPal for the first time in years trying out listia.com the other day, and was amazed that they still haven't added autocomplete="off" to their credit card number fields - every piece of information one needs to make online purchases is cached (unencrypted, usually) to your hard disk. Idiocy.

elai 17y ago
Google checkout is one of those mostly-USA only for merchants things, yet again. Paypal is far more international, and alternatives tend to be even more expensive.
- onreact-com 17y ago
  No, Moneybookers is popular globally as well and it's cheaper plus more reliable and secure.
  - lucumo 17y ago
    And has a disaster for a user interface. Once every three months I have to file a tax report and that's when I log in to see each transaction for those three months. Their history form has a "[Go]" button and a "[Search]" button. I press the wrong one each and every time. There is no details page for a transaction and you can only see the item that was sold in a CSS popup that disappears when you mouse away, making it impossible to copy-paste. And then there's the fact that their calculations can be off sometimes. We have some sales that are € 12.75. The transaction costs for that is € 0.44 or € 0.45, I don't know which: the amount field says it's € 0.44, but our balance is actually decreased by € 0.45. That's a rather bad mistake to make as a payment provider... All in all I'm not too happy with Moneybookers. It gets us money and it's cheap, but it's perfectly clear why they are cheap... Edit: Also, Moneybookers sales were less than 5% of the Paypal sales...
    - onreact-com 17y ago
      OK, MB is not perfect either but I still prefer it to PayPal and use it whenever I can. Also MB has some security advantages. You can already notice on the front end (captcha etc.)
      - lucumo 17y ago
        I don't particularly care for the captcha. It annoys me and I'm assuming Paypal has protected against brute-force login attempts differently. It's not like captchas fully protect against those anyway. Paypal really is much more polished. Their reporting is top-notch. They have an API. And they have an interface which doesn't confuse me. It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than MB...
ahoyhere 17y ago
Wait til they steal your money. PayPal used to do this, but then they got the shit sued out of em and got regulated. (I think they're legally a bank now?) http://slash7.com/articles/2009/3/26/google-is-evil-worse-than-paypal-don-t-use-google-checkout-for-your-business http://slash7.com/articles/2009/3/26/google-is-evil-worse-th...
patio11 17y ago
I use both of them. I prefer Paypal. Google Checkout is just a redheaded stepchild of a product. It has more sharp edges than a shuriken put through a blender. Here's one nuisance, among many: Google Checkout makes it impossible for you to search by important pieces of data like, oh, customer name. If I get an email from Jane Smith at an unrecognized email address (because customers often have several of them), I can't find her transaction through Google Checkout. I have to open up my dashboard, which was coded by some chump who writes bingo card software in his spare time but nonetheless is better at search than Google, look up the transaction, then copy/paste the order number so I can search by it at Google.
- jsackmann 17y ago
  I'm confused as to the problem you're describing. I log in to Google Checkout, there's a search box right above the list of recent orders. (Title: "Search Orders.") I type in "Smith" and get a list of 10 orders. 6 of them are buyers with the last name "Smith." The other four have "Smith" in the address somewhere. I agree that search and reporting (among other things) leaves much to be desired--I ended up hiring someone to do data entry when I wanted a list of customer zip codes recently--but when I find myself in a similar situation to what you describe, I have no problems at all.
  - patio11 17y ago
    Ahh -- seems they got around to fixing that. I swear, it used to be Order Number or email address only.
req2 17y ago
I emailed a small online vendor that their creditcard field was being cached like this, and I was told it was a 'browser feature' that I had to turn off. It almost makes me regret making my purchases there.

by andreyf 17y ago

elai 17y ago

Google checkout is one of those mostly-USA only for merchants things, yet again. Paypal is far more international, and alternatives tend to be even more expensive.

onreact-com 17y ago
No, Moneybookers is popular globally as well and it's cheaper plus more reliable and secure.
- lucumo 17y ago
  And has a disaster for a user interface. Once every three months I have to file a tax report and that's when I log in to see each transaction for those three months. Their history form has a "[Go]" button and a "[Search]" button. I press the wrong one each and every time. There is no details page for a transaction and you can only see the item that was sold in a CSS popup that disappears when you mouse away, making it impossible to copy-paste. And then there's the fact that their calculations can be off sometimes. We have some sales that are € 12.75. The transaction costs for that is € 0.44 or € 0.45, I don't know which: the amount field says it's € 0.44, but our balance is actually decreased by € 0.45. That's a rather bad mistake to make as a payment provider... All in all I'm not too happy with Moneybookers. It gets us money and it's cheap, but it's perfectly clear why they are cheap... Edit: Also, Moneybookers sales were less than 5% of the Paypal sales...
  - onreact-com 17y ago
    OK, MB is not perfect either but I still prefer it to PayPal and use it whenever I can. Also MB has some security advantages. You can already notice on the front end (captcha etc.)
    - lucumo 17y ago
      I don't particularly care for the captcha. It annoys me and I'm assuming Paypal has protected against brute-force login attempts differently. It's not like captchas fully protect against those anyway. Paypal really is much more polished. Their reporting is top-notch. They have an API. And they have an interface which doesn't confuse me. It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than MB...

ahoyhere 17y ago

Wait til they steal your money. PayPal used to do this, but then they got the shit sued out of em and got regulated. (I think they're legally a bank now?) http://slash7.com/articles/2009/3/26/google-is-evil-worse-than-paypal-don-t-use-google-checkout-for-your-business http://slash7.com/articles/2009/3/26/google-is-evil-worse-th...

patio11 17y ago

I use both of them. I prefer Paypal. Google Checkout is just a redheaded stepchild of a product. It has more sharp edges than a shuriken put through a blender. Here's one nuisance, among many: Google Checkout makes it impossible for you to search by important pieces of data like, oh, customer name. If I get an email from Jane Smith at an unrecognized email address (because customers often have several of them), I can't find her transaction through Google Checkout. I have to open up my dashboard, which was coded by some chump who writes bingo card software in his spare time but nonetheless is better at search than Google, look up the transaction, then copy/paste the order number so I can search by it at Google.

jsackmann 17y ago
I'm confused as to the problem you're describing. I log in to Google Checkout, there's a search box right above the list of recent orders. (Title: "Search Orders.") I type in "Smith" and get a list of 10 orders. 6 of them are buyers with the last name "Smith." The other four have "Smith" in the address somewhere. I agree that search and reporting (among other things) leaves much to be desired--I ended up hiring someone to do data entry when I wanted a list of customer zip codes recently--but when I find myself in a similar situation to what you describe, I have no problems at all.
- patio11 17y ago
  Ahh -- seems they got around to fixing that. I swear, it used to be Order Number or email address only.

req2 17y ago

I emailed a small online vendor that their creditcard field was being cached like this, and I was told it was a 'browser feature' that I had to turn off. It almost makes me regret making my purchases there.