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This is a clever stunt, though I'm not sure how effective this strategy would be even on a more popular site. It seems unlikely that this form of protest would

by mful 12y ago

This is a clever stunt, though I'm not sure how effective this strategy would be even on a more popular site. It seems unlikely that this form of protest would reach a large enough audience, given the relatively small number people who are directly affected, to gain any traction. EDIT: Grammar

Mithaldu 12y ago
Maybe they're hoping to inspire others to join them in this action, possibly leading to a key player treating the FCC like this. What's Google's stance on net neutrality nowadays?
- mful 12y ago
  That's exactly my point. I don't think just throttling the FCC employees is the best approach to taking a stance on net neutrality, regardless of the size of the 'key player'. I would argue that throttling consumers (with explanation) would be more effective.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
  That worked for SOPA because a few congressmen were in highly contested districts already, and even losing 0.5% of their voters next election could ruin their chances of reelection. The FCC chairman is not elected. Nor is he appointed by Congress. They can all genuinely claim that they had little or no control over his decisions. So it does not matter if everyone pulls a stunt this time. Besides, if the man isn't lying and he somehow subverts state laws that prohibit municipal networks, then that more than makes up for any other wrong he has committed. I can sure as hell influence my city council more easily than I can influence the federal government.
  - wfjackson 12y ago
    "Prior to working at the FCC, Wheeler worked as a venture capitalist and lobbyist for the cable and wireless industry, with positions including President of the National Cable Television Association (NCTA) and CEO of the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association (CTIA"
    - NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
      What's your point? Instead of trying to make a logical argument, your comment seems designed to inspire some vague outrage.
  - tedchs 12y ago
    Just FYI, Congress does not appoint anyone. They confirm the President's appointments.
  - loumf 12y ago
    Generally the electorate is happy to punish their rep for anything the government is supposed to do. If Wikipedia.com, google.com, etc says your rep. isn't helping protect net-neutrality and to call them, then people will call. Enough calls, and congress drags in the FCC, starts passing laws, etc.
AimHere 12y ago
Well maybe there's room for mass action along these lines. If, some ISP, say, "Bombcast", decides to throttle some website, say "Slacker News" as part of an extortion plan, can't we have every other content-providing internet service - be it Wikipedia, reddit, AirBnB, Facebook, maybe even google, if they're on this side of the fight - throttle all of Bombcast's customers right back. Suddenly half of Bombcast's customers find their favourite sites moving at unacceptable speeds, with a black border around the edges and an annoying black popup window telling them exactly why their website access is being throttled, and recommending they switch to some less heinous ISP instead. Naturally, hit the FCC, any part of the US legislature that voted against Net Neutrality and so forth into the bargain. Force customers to choose between the faceless drones who laid the cable to their door ten years ago and send them a bill every month, or the guys who provide all the shiny internet stuffs that they enjoy for more or less free. Might some sort of content provider's union be quite powerful? Because of who they are, they have a head start at winning hearts and minds so they'd have leeway when it comes to taking action that might alienate their public.
- mful 12y ago
  I agree that this would make a lot of sense. Unless I misunderstood the OP, Neocities seems to be advocating for specifically throttling the FCC, not consumers in general. What you are describing seems to be more along the lines of Brad Feld's post[1] from the other day. [1] http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2014/05/dear-internet-lets-demo-slow-lane.html http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2014/05/dear-internet-lets-d...
- icehawk219 12y ago
  The problem with this plan is that Bombcast couldn't care less. They have a monopoly so what are their customers going to do? Switch to a non-existent ISP? And thanks to the death of Net Neutrality Bombcast can even go as far as to say "Hey Netflix, see this competitor of ours? Your rate just went up 250% if their customers are allowed on your site." (and for those thinking this would run afoul of anti-trust regulations you are 100% correct and I would LOVE to live in a universe where the government cared enough to do something about it, but I just can't believe that that would actually happen). ISPs have proven time and time again that they can't be bothered to care about their customers. So while I would like to see your idea come to fruition the only people who really lose are the customers. The ISP doesn't care, the FCC doesn't care, the rest of the government doesn't care, even the people don't care enough to do anything substantial.

by mful 12y ago

Mithaldu 12y ago

Maybe they're hoping to inspire others to join them in this action, possibly leading to a key player treating the FCC like this. What's Google's stance on net neutrality nowadays?

mful 12y ago
That's exactly my point. I don't think just throttling the FCC employees is the best approach to taking a stance on net neutrality, regardless of the size of the 'key player'. I would argue that throttling consumers (with explanation) would be more effective.
NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
That worked for SOPA because a few congressmen were in highly contested districts already, and even losing 0.5% of their voters next election could ruin their chances of reelection. The FCC chairman is not elected. Nor is he appointed by Congress. They can all genuinely claim that they had little or no control over his decisions. So it does not matter if everyone pulls a stunt this time. Besides, if the man isn't lying and he somehow subverts state laws that prohibit municipal networks, then that more than makes up for any other wrong he has committed. I can sure as hell influence my city council more easily than I can influence the federal government.
- wfjackson 12y ago
  "Prior to working at the FCC, Wheeler worked as a venture capitalist and lobbyist for the cable and wireless industry, with positions including President of the National Cable Television Association (NCTA) and CEO of the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association (CTIA"
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
    What's your point? Instead of trying to make a logical argument, your comment seems designed to inspire some vague outrage.
- tedchs 12y ago
  Just FYI, Congress does not appoint anyone. They confirm the President's appointments.
- loumf 12y ago
  Generally the electorate is happy to punish their rep for anything the government is supposed to do. If Wikipedia.com, google.com, etc says your rep. isn't helping protect net-neutrality and to call them, then people will call. Enough calls, and congress drags in the FCC, starts passing laws, etc.

AimHere 12y ago

Well maybe there's room for mass action along these lines. If, some ISP, say, "Bombcast", decides to throttle some website, say "Slacker News" as part of an extortion plan, can't we have every other content-providing internet service - be it Wikipedia, reddit, AirBnB, Facebook, maybe even google, if they're on this side of the fight - throttle all of Bombcast's customers right back. Suddenly half of Bombcast's customers find their favourite sites moving at unacceptable speeds, with a black border around the edges and an annoying black popup window telling them exactly why their website access is being throttled, and recommending they switch to some less heinous ISP instead. Naturally, hit the FCC, any part of the US legislature that voted against Net Neutrality and so forth into the bargain. Force customers to choose between the faceless drones who laid the cable to their door ten years ago and send them a bill every month, or the guys who provide all the shiny internet stuffs that they enjoy for more or less free. Might some sort of content provider's union be quite powerful? Because of who they are, they have a head start at winning hearts and minds so they'd have leeway when it comes to taking action that might alienate their public.

mful 12y ago
I agree that this would make a lot of sense. Unless I misunderstood the OP, Neocities seems to be advocating for specifically throttling the FCC, not consumers in general. What you are describing seems to be more along the lines of Brad Feld's post[1] from the other day. [1] http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2014/05/dear-internet-lets-demo-slow-lane.html http://www.feld.com/wp/archives/2014/05/dear-internet-lets-d...
icehawk219 12y ago
The problem with this plan is that Bombcast couldn't care less. They have a monopoly so what are their customers going to do? Switch to a non-existent ISP? And thanks to the death of Net Neutrality Bombcast can even go as far as to say "Hey Netflix, see this competitor of ours? Your rate just went up 250% if their customers are allowed on your site." (and for those thinking this would run afoul of anti-trust regulations you are 100% correct and I would LOVE to live in a universe where the government cared enough to do something about it, but I just can't believe that that would actually happen). ISPs have proven time and time again that they can't be bothered to care about their customers. So while I would like to see your idea come to fruition the only people who really lose are the customers. The ISP doesn't care, the FCC doesn't care, the rest of the government doesn't care, even the people don't care enough to do anything substantial.