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I think Android will never be a 100% real free system but Firefox OS is the true open source and free system :)

by s2dar 12y ago

szatkus 12y ago
But you still don't know what modifications a vendor made to original source code.
- seba_dos1 12y ago
  That's why there are devices like Neo900, where technically you're a software vendor - just like on your PC.
  - icebraining 12y ago
    The baseband firmware of the Neo is still proprietary, though not having DMA is certainly a plus.
    - seba_dos1 12y ago
      Just like in any 3G USB dongle you attach to your PC (in fact, Neo900's modem operates in exactly the same way). For something as close to "free baseband" as possible, get a Neo Freerunner (or some other phone with TI Calypso) and install OsmocomBB - however, you won't be allowed to use it legally on public networks in most of jurisdictions in the world.
seba_dos1 12y ago
Firefox OS has exactly the same problem that Android has. Android is open and free and all, but most of the devices out there don't give the user this freedom at all. Firefox OS has exactly the same problem - Mozilla does not enforce by any way that the officially branded FxOS implementation should be open. Most of FxOS phones to date, maybe except Geeksphone, are simply closed and need some ridiculous rooting or unlocking in order to just reflash them with newer version of FxOS. Just look at GTA04/Neo900 (and possibly Freerunner too, but it would probably be massively underpowered) - you could run both Android (Replicant) and Firefox OS there without using any single line of closed source line - but that doesn't represent the usual customer experience for Android and FxOS branded phones. So where's the difference?
donniezazen 12y ago
Anything is nice as a concept. In real world you have to make compromises. When the ball goes to proprietary-chip-maker's court you don't get to play with your rules.

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I think Android will never be a 100% real free system but Firefox OS is the true open source and free system :)

by s2dar 12y ago

I think Android will never be a 100% real free system but Firefox OS is the true open source and free system :)

szatkus 12y ago
But you still don't know what modifications a vendor made to original source code.
- seba_dos1 12y ago
  That's why there are devices like Neo900, where technically you're a software vendor - just like on your PC.
  - icebraining 12y ago
    The baseband firmware of the Neo is still proprietary, though not having DMA is certainly a plus.
    - seba_dos1 12y ago
      Just like in any 3G USB dongle you attach to your PC (in fact, Neo900's modem operates in exactly the same way). For something as close to "free baseband" as possible, get a Neo Freerunner (or some other phone with TI Calypso) and install OsmocomBB - however, you won't be allowed to use it legally on public networks in most of jurisdictions in the world.
seba_dos1 12y ago
Firefox OS has exactly the same problem that Android has. Android is open and free and all, but most of the devices out there don't give the user this freedom at all. Firefox OS has exactly the same problem - Mozilla does not enforce by any way that the officially branded FxOS implementation should be open. Most of FxOS phones to date, maybe except Geeksphone, are simply closed and need some ridiculous rooting or unlocking in order to just reflash them with newer version of FxOS. Just look at GTA04/Neo900 (and possibly Freerunner too, but it would probably be massively underpowered) - you could run both Android (Replicant) and Firefox OS there without using any single line of closed source line - but that doesn't represent the usual customer experience for Android and FxOS branded phones. So where's the difference?
donniezazen 12y ago
Anything is nice as a concept. In real world you have to make compromises. When the ball goes to proprietary-chip-maker's court you don't get to play with your rules.