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1. Most H1B's get higher pay than the H1B application wage. This happens in consulting jobs and is to ensure that you don't have to get deported because your an

1. Most H1B's get higher pay than the H1B application wage. This happens in consulting jobs and is to ensure that you don't have to get deported because your annual income fell short of the absolute minimum in case you took a prolonged vacation back home. And the prevailing wage is determined by DOL. Not by the employer or the lawyer. If you compare the H1B prevaling wage with your own, most of the time yours would be higher. But that doesn't mean you are getting more pay than the H1B employee. Most H1B's atleast have an engineering degree. Getting through a degree course is no lauging matter anywhere in the world. Vast majority of US employees don't have any formal education. End of the day, companies interview H1B employees just like they interview you with puzzles and white board tests and github code reviews. Nobody, not even Infosys and Wipro employees get a free ride. 2. Same case for L1. They have degrees in addition to work experience. Nobody makes 15K in US on L1. That's just a lie. I used to make 15K USD back in Chennai, India. Not many people would make the trip to US for 15K. 3. Americans don't work abroad in India. Americans work for Indian companies here in US. Every time an Indian airliner buys Boeing over Airbus and everytime a US arms manufacturer gets a deal over the Russian or European companies, the Indian companies employ Americans. It's a trade off mostly in America's favor. Indians export technology and Americans export finished goods. Consumers of raw technology always gains in this trade. 4. The problem with GC is not because the H1B's abuse it. But because US has a stupid immigration policy where they equate India or China with a billion people to say Kuwait or Vatican and give equals quotas per country. If this is fixed, the applications would get quickly processed and the wrongful applications would be denied. 5. Mass layoffs with simultaneous I-140 filings... Getting someone a Green Card would cost upwards of 15K. And they don't exactly come cheap. green Cards usually have higher wage requirements. Also I-140 holder can switch an employer after 6 months. Nothing chains them to the employer.

diogenescynic 12y ago
1. An awful lot of tech workers make under $40k, even under $30k. The average H-1B salary is roughly $70,000. There's a smaller percent at the top-end that skew the average up. The vast majority of the H-1Bs I saw were making $50,000-$65,000. I think you misunderstand the process. First, the DOL sets the prevailing wages, but the employers choose what location, title, and experience level to apply under. Check this out: http://flcdatacenter.com/CaseH1B.aspx http://flcdatacenter.com/CaseH1B.aspx Play around with it and see what you find. Now, say you're a company and you have multiple locations. You apply for the employee at the cheapest location, then pick a title that will get a lower prevailing wage, and say they are entry level when really they have 5 years of experience. So the prevailing wage determination is skewed. This is what I mean about telling a white lie. Anything that is available to companies that has a monetary reward for telling "white lies" to the government and depends on the companies "being honest" let alone understanding or agreeing with the overarching intent of the legislation -- is going to have the absolute shit abused out of it eventually. If a Software Engineer gets a higher prevailing wage than a Software Developer (or vice versa) according to the DOL. Which title do you think the employer will pick to apply under? 2. I've seen multiple cases filed for L-1s around $15,000 and many more for around $25,000-$28,000. The L-1s get around the prevailing wage requirements by companies providing corporate housing and ammenities and meals at work. I worked on thousands of cases, so I am going to believe my sample size is more representative than your anecdotal experience. 3. This is an intellectually dishonest argument. Trading goods is not the same thing as employment. Stop trying to conflate them. And even still, following your argument Americans are still 'employing' millions in India via imported goods. It's still completely one-sided. 4. I disagree, I don't think India and China should get preferential treatment for having a larger population. That's ridiculous. 5. Again, I've seen this happen many times. The bitter truth H-1s appeal to employers because employers see them as exploitable, cheaper, and more ignorant of local labour customs and laws.

diogenescynic 12y ago

1. An awful lot of tech workers make under $40k, even under $30k. The average H-1B salary is roughly $70,000. There's a smaller percent at the top-end that skew the average up. The vast majority of the H-1Bs I saw were making $50,000-$65,000. I think you misunderstand the process. First, the DOL sets the prevailing wages, but the employers choose what location, title, and experience level to apply under. Check this out: http://flcdatacenter.com/CaseH1B.aspx http://flcdatacenter.com/CaseH1B.aspx Play around with it and see what you find. Now, say you're a company and you have multiple locations. You apply for the employee at the cheapest location, then pick a title that will get a lower prevailing wage, and say they are entry level when really they have 5 years of experience. So the prevailing wage determination is skewed. This is what I mean about telling a white lie. Anything that is available to companies that has a monetary reward for telling "white lies" to the government and depends on the companies "being honest" let alone understanding or agreeing with the overarching intent of the legislation -- is going to have the absolute shit abused out of it eventually. If a Software Engineer gets a higher prevailing wage than a Software Developer (or vice versa) according to the DOL. Which title do you think the employer will pick to apply under? 2. I've seen multiple cases filed for L-1s around $15,000 and many more for around $25,000-$28,000. The L-1s get around the prevailing wage requirements by companies providing corporate housing and ammenities and meals at work. I worked on thousands of cases, so I am going to believe my sample size is more representative than your anecdotal experience. 3. This is an intellectually dishonest argument. Trading goods is not the same thing as employment. Stop trying to conflate them. And even still, following your argument Americans are still 'employing' millions in India via imported goods. It's still completely one-sided. 4. I disagree, I don't think India and China should get preferential treatment for having a larger population. That's ridiculous. 5. Again, I've seen this happen many times. The bitter truth H-1s appeal to employers because employers see them as exploitable, cheaper, and more ignorant of local labour customs and laws.