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> Among the many discussions was one regarding Google's steadfast refusal to pay for OSS software it uses. Well, we can count on the US government to fund OSS,

by NAFV_P 12y ago

> Among the many discussions was one regarding Google's steadfast refusal to pay for OSS software it uses. Well, we can count on the US government to fund OSS, like Tor.

davidw 12y ago
Government funded open source is certainly one possibility, and one that people like RMS favor to some degree, if I understand them correctly. Governments do fund plenty of other public goods (using the definition from economics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_good https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_good ). There are plenty of problems with this approach too, though.
esbranson 12y ago
Don't forget about the EU government.
- CaptainZapp 12y ago
  Which EU government? There is an EU parliament and there is the EU commission. Since the EU is comprised of 28 sovereign countries there is no such thing as an EU government.
  - wmgries 12y ago
    I'm sure he means the Commission. And arguably, sovereignty is decreasing for member-states. For instance, possibly as much as two-thirds of the laws and regulations that affect people living in the EU come from the EU itself - not the member-states. For Eurozone members, monetary policy is controlled by the EU, and increasingly fiscal policy. What does sovereignty look like in this picture? Although, I'm not sure if the Commission itself would have the revenue to support key open source projects. They could certainly enact regulation to encourage funding, however.
    - arethuza 12y ago
      The EU spends a lot of money on research (it paid my wages for 5 years when I worked on ESPRIT projects): "€53 billion has been made available between 2007 and 2013" http://europa.eu/about-eu/funding-grants/index_en.htm http://europa.eu/about-eu/funding-grants/index_en.htm
      - wmgries 12y ago
        Nice! Thanks for the link.
        esbranson 12y ago
        Horizon 2020 is the new programme "with nearly €80 billion of funding available over 7 years (2014 to 2020)". http://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/ http://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/
cdibona 12y ago
What kills me is that the US Gov does pay for a fair amount of work (the military loved funding gcc for instance) I'd also point out that we've (google) spent scads of money on oss software development , orgs and the rest at Google. The author really didn't research before writing the article.

by NAFV_P 12y ago

> Among the many discussions was one regarding Google's steadfast refusal to pay for OSS software it uses. Well, we can count on the US government to fund OSS, like Tor.

davidw 12y ago

Government funded open source is certainly one possibility, and one that people like RMS favor to some degree, if I understand them correctly. Governments do fund plenty of other public goods (using the definition from economics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_good https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_good ). There are plenty of problems with this approach too, though.

esbranson 12y ago

Don't forget about the EU government.

CaptainZapp 12y ago
Which EU government? There is an EU parliament and there is the EU commission. Since the EU is comprised of 28 sovereign countries there is no such thing as an EU government.
- wmgries 12y ago
  I'm sure he means the Commission. And arguably, sovereignty is decreasing for member-states. For instance, possibly as much as two-thirds of the laws and regulations that affect people living in the EU come from the EU itself - not the member-states. For Eurozone members, monetary policy is controlled by the EU, and increasingly fiscal policy. What does sovereignty look like in this picture? Although, I'm not sure if the Commission itself would have the revenue to support key open source projects. They could certainly enact regulation to encourage funding, however.
  - arethuza 12y ago
    The EU spends a lot of money on research (it paid my wages for 5 years when I worked on ESPRIT projects): "€53 billion has been made available between 2007 and 2013" http://europa.eu/about-eu/funding-grants/index_en.htm http://europa.eu/about-eu/funding-grants/index_en.htm
    - wmgries 12y ago
      Nice! Thanks for the link.
      - esbranson 12y ago
        Horizon 2020 is the new programme "with nearly €80 billion of funding available over 7 years (2014 to 2020)". http://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/ http://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/

cdibona 12y ago

What kills me is that the US Gov does pay for a fair amount of work (the military loved funding gcc for instance) I'd also point out that we've (google) spent scads of money on oss software development , orgs and the rest at Google. The author really didn't research before writing the article.