"However, I make a big distinction between organizational and technical deficiencies." I make that distinction too. One of my previous employers scored a 4 or

"However, I make a big distinction between organizational and technical deficiencies." I make that distinction too. One of my previous employers scored a 4 or 5 on the Joel test, but the work was extremely interesting, the technical staff was top notch and we actually had power to change things. My last employer in contrast probably scores more like a 9 or 10. The management was just mind bogglingly incompetent.