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> but neglects to consider the scenario with all game theoretic incentives fully. See prior post re: the insufficiency of axiomatic systems. This is also unre

• etherael 12y ago
  > Theories are beholden to fact, not the other way around. Which does not make it impossible to come up with theories, strangely enough.
  • dragonwriter 12y ago
    > Which does not make it impossible to come up with theories, strangely enough. Yeah, but you still don't get to call what really has been shown to happen wrong because it doesn't match the theory you came up with. (Well, I mean, you can if its a theory of morality rather than a predictive theory, but its important not to confuse the two.)
    • etherael 12y ago
      That would be valid if it had really been shown to happen the way you describe, it hasn't. Warlords fighting over political authority is not a proof for what happens when the entire society rejects the concept of political authority and refuses to accept it as valid. Political aspirants wage war for political authority only because it has value. The point you raise is so common that it actually has a parody term; Argumentum ad somalia. Now I grant that this still does not mean we are right, but this is no "provably effective" rebuttal, either.