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I paid for Sublime Text, and there were enough rough edges and bits I didn't like about both vim and Emacs that I felt justified in paying for it, but neverthel

by AlexMax 12y ago

I paid for Sublime Text, and there were enough rough edges and bits I didn't like about both vim and Emacs that I felt justified in paying for it, but nevertheless seeing development slow to an absolute crawl on a product I paid for makes me nervous.

artursapek 12y ago
What rough edges?
aktau 12y ago
If you still feel like maybe vim could be something for you if the rough edges were removable, come talk to us at https://github.com/neovim/neovim https://github.com/neovim/neovim in a couple of months when we'll be ready to start implementing new features. The refactoring is going great and work on the VimL -> Lua(JIT) translator is already quite advanced.
- Legion 12y ago
  Neovim seriously has me so excited that I could scream like a little girl. On a list of software projects I wish existed, a modernized Vim would be numbers 1 through 10. I enjoy core Vim, but the pain of Vim's limits when adding in new functionality with plugins (like pauses running Syntactic checks, or the hiccups and lack of smoothness of every autocompletion plugin ever) are a downer.
  - espadrine 12y ago
    The biggest pro about Vim[1] is that I can open a hundred instances[2] without having my OS gasping for oxygen. I would very much love to see a modern UI, a clean plugin interface, etc., but I fear that those changes would make Vim as heavy as the competition. I wonder if Emacs will eventually compete, though, both UI-wise and for cleaner plug-ins. [1]: In my humble opinion [2]: and I do, actually
    - baxter001 12y ago
      on [2] assuming gvim, try --remote-silent, vim buffers are much easier to work with than whatever app switching your os provides.
    - bcbrown 12y ago
      > I can open a hundred instances What's your use case? I'm curious.
      - espadrine 12y ago
        When I am done working on something, and want to start working on another project, I don't close the previous project. I leave it in a virtual desktop. That way, when I wish to resume work on that project (or component of a project), switching to the correct virtual desktop is way faster than opening the console, going to the right directory, opening Vim, and opening all the relevant files. Besides, the local shell history is also ready to grab to start running all the tools I need for testing, debugging and general dev aiding. Project switching, I find, is really hard, but it is made way harder by having to remember all the unique locations of files, directories and commands related to the project, and having to wait for everything to load.
        lytedev 12y ago
        I really like Sublime's workspaces system as a solution to this problem. If you have a project open and need to switch to another one, Ctrl-Alt-P opens the project switcher. If you switch to another project, the previous project's workspace is saved. So when you come back to the last project, everything is JUST as you left it. Alternatively, if you need to have it open in another window (for comparisons or whatnot), just open a new window before opening the project switcher! (Ctrl-Shift-N, Ctrl-Alt-P)
- akavi 12y ago
  > VimL -> Lua(JIT) translator is already quite advanced Does that mean NeoVim will support Lua for scripting alongside VimL?
  - justinmk 12y ago
    Yes.
  - orbifold 12y ago
    Vim already has support for Lua, although you tend to have to compile from source and enable that option as most distribution packages don't have that option enabled.
criswell 12y ago
Yeah. I went through that with TextMate. It was worth what I got out of it though in the long run.

by AlexMax 12y ago

artursapek 12y ago

What rough edges?

aktau 12y ago

If you still feel like maybe vim could be something for you if the rough edges were removable, come talk to us at https://github.com/neovim/neovim https://github.com/neovim/neovim in a couple of months when we'll be ready to start implementing new features. The refactoring is going great and work on the VimL -> Lua(JIT) translator is already quite advanced.

Legion 12y ago
Neovim seriously has me so excited that I could scream like a little girl. On a list of software projects I wish existed, a modernized Vim would be numbers 1 through 10. I enjoy core Vim, but the pain of Vim's limits when adding in new functionality with plugins (like pauses running Syntactic checks, or the hiccups and lack of smoothness of every autocompletion plugin ever) are a downer.
- espadrine 12y ago
  The biggest pro about Vim[1] is that I can open a hundred instances[2] without having my OS gasping for oxygen. I would very much love to see a modern UI, a clean plugin interface, etc., but I fear that those changes would make Vim as heavy as the competition. I wonder if Emacs will eventually compete, though, both UI-wise and for cleaner plug-ins. [1]: In my humble opinion [2]: and I do, actually
  - baxter001 12y ago
    on [2] assuming gvim, try --remote-silent, vim buffers are much easier to work with than whatever app switching your os provides.
  - bcbrown 12y ago
    > I can open a hundred instances What's your use case? I'm curious.
    - espadrine 12y ago
      When I am done working on something, and want to start working on another project, I don't close the previous project. I leave it in a virtual desktop. That way, when I wish to resume work on that project (or component of a project), switching to the correct virtual desktop is way faster than opening the console, going to the right directory, opening Vim, and opening all the relevant files. Besides, the local shell history is also ready to grab to start running all the tools I need for testing, debugging and general dev aiding. Project switching, I find, is really hard, but it is made way harder by having to remember all the unique locations of files, directories and commands related to the project, and having to wait for everything to load.
      - lytedev 12y ago
        I really like Sublime's workspaces system as a solution to this problem. If you have a project open and need to switch to another one, Ctrl-Alt-P opens the project switcher. If you switch to another project, the previous project's workspace is saved. So when you come back to the last project, everything is JUST as you left it. Alternatively, if you need to have it open in another window (for comparisons or whatnot), just open a new window before opening the project switcher! (Ctrl-Shift-N, Ctrl-Alt-P)
akavi 12y ago
> VimL -> Lua(JIT) translator is already quite advanced Does that mean NeoVim will support Lua for scripting alongside VimL?
- justinmk 12y ago
  Yes.
- orbifold 12y ago
  Vim already has support for Lua, although you tend to have to compile from source and enable that option as most distribution packages don't have that option enabled.

criswell 12y ago

Yeah. I went through that with TextMate. It was worth what I got out of it though in the long run.