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Please stop trying to tie Bitcoin to your radical political worldview, you're hurting the adoption of Bitcoin for the reasonable folks among us.

snitko 13y ago
Well, why do you suppose Satoshi created Bitcoin? Because he wanted everyone to keep paying taxes and governments keep printing fiat? Or is it because he was a fan central banking and couldn't wait until Bitcoin is heavily regulated and centrally controlled? You call yourself reasonable, but you didn't even care to learn a bit about why Bitcoin came to be so popular and why it was invented in the first place.
- gnaritas 13y ago
  > Well, why do you suppose Satoshi created Bitcoin? Not relevant, it's not his now, it belongs to the public and his intentions are no more relevant than anyone else's. > You call yourself reasonable, but you didn't even care to learn a bit about why Bitcoin came to be so popular and why it was invented in the first place. I know all about it, so please keep your silly baseless presumptions to yourself.
  - snitko 13y ago
    I'm sorry, but the problem is that due to Bitcoin's inherent properties you cannot completely detach it from political and economic agendas. Its deflationary nature, its pseudonymity, it's decentralization - how do you detach it from the free markets ideology and libertarian ideals? I just don't understand it. I honestly believe you guys are for a big surprise. Go ahead and use Bitcoin, I'm all for it. But don't expect everyone else to keep paying taxes and obey regulations. It's just not going to happen. In fact, the reverse will happen, with more people not willing to participate in government scam. If you truly believe society cannot survive and prosper without government, then the only logical step I see is for you to stop using Bitcoin or even lobby to ban it. If you don't, I'm personally fine with it, but you might regret it.
    - gnaritas 13y ago
      > I just don't understand it. That's right, you don't. Why, because you assume it must succeed as a currency to succeed and that's simply not true. It can succeed as a payment network and store of wealth while failing as a currency and be wildly successful still. The political ideologies you're attaching to it don't matter. > But don't expect everyone else to keep paying taxes and obey regulations. It's just not going to happen. Yes it will, the tax system already relies on voluntary reporting and people still declare and pay their taxes simply because it's illegal to not do so. Everyone isn't like you; they don't want to not pay their taxes and risk getting caught committing tax fraud. > with more people not willing to participate in government scam Once again, those are your political ideals and they are not shared by the vast majority of society. You are in the minority, we don't all see government as a scam. > If you truly believe society cannot survive and prosper without government, then the only logical step I see is for you to stop using Bitcoin or even lobby to ban it. Then you have very limited logical abilities and very small thinking.
      - snitko 13y ago
        1) Yes it will, the tax system already relies on voluntary reporting 2) they don't want to not pay their taxes and risk getting caught Talking about logical abilities. Taxes are voluntarily paid because people don't want to be caught and end up in jail? You can't call something voluntary if it requires threats for people to sign up.
        gnaritas 13y ago
        Did I say taxes were voluntary...NO, please learn to read.
        snitko 13y ago
        Good lord you're a nitpicker. You said "tax reporting" was voluntary. Fine. What happens if you don't report and IRS finds out? Are people scared of not reporting? Tax reporting IS NOT voluntary.

snitko 13y ago

Well, why do you suppose Satoshi created Bitcoin? Because he wanted everyone to keep paying taxes and governments keep printing fiat? Or is it because he was a fan central banking and couldn't wait until Bitcoin is heavily regulated and centrally controlled? You call yourself reasonable, but you didn't even care to learn a bit about why Bitcoin came to be so popular and why it was invented in the first place.

gnaritas 13y ago
> Well, why do you suppose Satoshi created Bitcoin? Not relevant, it's not his now, it belongs to the public and his intentions are no more relevant than anyone else's. > You call yourself reasonable, but you didn't even care to learn a bit about why Bitcoin came to be so popular and why it was invented in the first place. I know all about it, so please keep your silly baseless presumptions to yourself.
- snitko 13y ago
  I'm sorry, but the problem is that due to Bitcoin's inherent properties you cannot completely detach it from political and economic agendas. Its deflationary nature, its pseudonymity, it's decentralization - how do you detach it from the free markets ideology and libertarian ideals? I just don't understand it. I honestly believe you guys are for a big surprise. Go ahead and use Bitcoin, I'm all for it. But don't expect everyone else to keep paying taxes and obey regulations. It's just not going to happen. In fact, the reverse will happen, with more people not willing to participate in government scam. If you truly believe society cannot survive and prosper without government, then the only logical step I see is for you to stop using Bitcoin or even lobby to ban it. If you don't, I'm personally fine with it, but you might regret it.
  - gnaritas 13y ago
    > I just don't understand it. That's right, you don't. Why, because you assume it must succeed as a currency to succeed and that's simply not true. It can succeed as a payment network and store of wealth while failing as a currency and be wildly successful still. The political ideologies you're attaching to it don't matter. > But don't expect everyone else to keep paying taxes and obey regulations. It's just not going to happen. Yes it will, the tax system already relies on voluntary reporting and people still declare and pay their taxes simply because it's illegal to not do so. Everyone isn't like you; they don't want to not pay their taxes and risk getting caught committing tax fraud. > with more people not willing to participate in government scam Once again, those are your political ideals and they are not shared by the vast majority of society. You are in the minority, we don't all see government as a scam. > If you truly believe society cannot survive and prosper without government, then the only logical step I see is for you to stop using Bitcoin or even lobby to ban it. Then you have very limited logical abilities and very small thinking.
    - snitko 13y ago
      1) Yes it will, the tax system already relies on voluntary reporting 2) they don't want to not pay their taxes and risk getting caught Talking about logical abilities. Taxes are voluntarily paid because people don't want to be caught and end up in jail? You can't call something voluntary if it requires threats for people to sign up.
      - gnaritas 13y ago
        Did I say taxes were voluntary...NO, please learn to read.
        snitko 13y ago
        Good lord you're a nitpicker. You said "tax reporting" was voluntary. Fine. What happens if you don't report and IRS finds out? Are people scared of not reporting? Tax reporting IS NOT voluntary.