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Does anyone have an idea what the European ISP is that refuses to provide enough peering capacity?

by _stephan 12y ago

revelation 12y ago
They said its not from the UK and judging from their connection points, I guess its Deutsche Telekom.
- josephlord 12y ago
  Don't know they described them as a monopoly position and cable is pretty strong in Germany. I think Spain or Italy might be better guesses. Telefonica in Spain might be a reasonable guess. Ono the cable company isn't huge. I think Telecom Italian is dominant in Italy and there is virtually no cable at all so that would be my guess.
  - josephlord 12y ago
    Too late to fix typo: Telecom Italia (not Italian).
- frik 12y ago
  Yes, it seems it's the "Telekom" from Germany: * http://www.golem.de/news/level-3-sechs-grosse-internetprovider-bremsen-peering-absichtlich-aus-1405-106318.html http://www.golem.de/news/level-3-sechs-grosse-internetprovid... * http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article117963991/Bei-Europas-Telekom-Riesen-ist-die-EU-unpatriotisch.html http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article117963991/Bei-Europas-T...
seszett 12y ago
I would have guessed it was French ISP Proxad/Free, which is notorious for having generally shitty peering to a large part of Internet (like Youtube, Imgur or Github, among others). But though they are a large ISP they are not dominant, and their peering with Level3 is actually quite good... which is why I tunnel most of my connection to my server (the route to which happens to be through Level3) so I can get usable internet. It really sucks to be able to download an iso from some server in the US at 2 MB/s, but seeing small Imgur gifs load frame by frame, or Github repos cloning at 20 kB/s.
- zero_intp 12y ago
  Free just doesn't buy enough transit; they are not a tier 1 provider.
  - seszett 12y ago
    The ISPs in question explicitly aren't tier 1 providers. Free is tier 2, and they are very much behaving like the ISPs the article is talking about, just not with Level 3.
    - zero_intp 12y ago
      Free buys transit, and that transit is full. All the time. The article is talking about settlement free peering. There are significant differences between Free running their uplinks hot and a peering partners running their interconnects hot.
zero_intp 12y ago
France Telecom

Does anyone have an idea what the European ISP is that refuses to provide enough peering capacity?

revelation 12y ago

They said its not from the UK and judging from their connection points, I guess its Deutsche Telekom.

josephlord 12y ago
Don't know they described them as a monopoly position and cable is pretty strong in Germany. I think Spain or Italy might be better guesses. Telefonica in Spain might be a reasonable guess. Ono the cable company isn't huge. I think Telecom Italian is dominant in Italy and there is virtually no cable at all so that would be my guess.
- josephlord 12y ago
  Too late to fix typo: Telecom Italia (not Italian).
frik 12y ago
Yes, it seems it's the "Telekom" from Germany: * http://www.golem.de/news/level-3-sechs-grosse-internetprovider-bremsen-peering-absichtlich-aus-1405-106318.html http://www.golem.de/news/level-3-sechs-grosse-internetprovid... * http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article117963991/Bei-Europas-Telekom-Riesen-ist-die-EU-unpatriotisch.html http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article117963991/Bei-Europas-T...

seszett 12y ago

I would have guessed it was French ISP Proxad/Free, which is notorious for having generally shitty peering to a large part of Internet (like Youtube, Imgur or Github, among others). But though they are a large ISP they are not dominant, and their peering with Level3 is actually quite good... which is why I tunnel most of my connection to my server (the route to which happens to be through Level3) so I can get usable internet. It really sucks to be able to download an iso from some server in the US at 2 MB/s, but seeing small Imgur gifs load frame by frame, or Github repos cloning at 20 kB/s.

zero_intp 12y ago
Free just doesn't buy enough transit; they are not a tier 1 provider.
- seszett 12y ago
  The ISPs in question explicitly aren't tier 1 providers. Free is tier 2, and they are very much behaving like the ISPs the article is talking about, just not with Level 3.
  - zero_intp 12y ago
    Free buys transit, and that transit is full. All the time. The article is talking about settlement free peering. There are significant differences between Free running their uplinks hot and a peering partners running their interconnects hot.

zero_intp 12y ago

France Telecom