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It's PHP 5.7.0-dev right now. You can download and compile the development branch yourself: https://wiki.php.net/phpng https://wiki.php.net/phpng

by mrsaint 12y ago

kolev 12y ago
Great. Any ETA on phpng stable release?
- trebor 12y ago
  Give it a year or two. Seriously! 5.5 was just released a little while ago and 5.6 is just in beta now.
  - kolev 12y ago
    Just try to imagine HHVM in year or two. Zend PHP will be irrelevant by then.
    - velodrome 12y ago
      The only way that is going to happen is if HHVM was integrated into PHP core (similar to ZendOpcache).
      - enterx 12y ago
        HHVM is a reimplementation of the PHP language. http://grokbase.com/t/php/php-internals/12bvegp9cv/hhvm-and-php http://grokbase.com/t/php/php-internals/12bvegp9cv/hhvm-and-...
    - trebor 12y ago
      Irrelevant how? I doubt BlueHost, HostGator, Dreamhost, etc, and on and on will have implemented HHVM as their core PHP offering by then. Most web hosts still have PHP 5.3 installed, and even the PHP 5.4 I've used on Media Temple's servers is out of date. But at the rate PHP's release cycle has accelerated (remember that 5.3 dates from 2009...) it's entirely likely that the trend will continue. And more hosts are offering up-to-date PHP versions as an option. I still see a future for Zend PHP.
      - kolev 12y ago
        In 2 years, HHVM will perform so much faster than PHP 6 and Hack will offer so many added benefits that even the shared hosting guys will switch to it as it will make them serve more sites with the same hardware plus developers will push to have Hack in place anyway.
        coldtea 12y ago
        That's not how it normally works with those kinds of re-implementations. Heck, Python 3 hasn't even replaced Python 2 -- and people will dump PHP for Hack? A language which doesn't even have a community at the moment, it's 99% Facebook people.
        kolev 12y ago
        Python 3 is a different story! As you mention below outliers, let's not use them, please! GNU/Linux OS does not depend on PHP like it depends on Python.
        kolev 12y ago
        Also, if we have to use Python as an example, then PyPy was a better analogy than Python 3.
        coldtea 12y ago
        Only I compared PHP to Hack above. PyPy would be a better analogy to HHVM-PHP.
    - kolev 12y ago
      I'm not sure why you guys ganged up to downvote on something obvious - PHP is loosing grounds to HHVM already. I'm considering it for all my PHP projects already - it's easy to install and most PHP frameworks are well-supported already (http://hhvm.com/frameworks/ http://hhvm.com/frameworks/). I can imagine HHVM having integration within Nginx a la HttpLuaModule, which uses LuaJIT and would eliminate going the FastCGI route.
      - coldtea 12y ago
        >I'm not sure why you guys ganged up to downvote on something obvious - PHP is loosing grounds to HHVM already. Perhaps because some on HN are computer scientists, so to convince them it takes actual numbers and not some anecdotal evidence of what you personally use. Judging from all available data sources, you are an outlier. HHVM doesn't have that large a community (mostly FB people), is not installed in the overwhelming majority of hosts, still has compatibility issues, has few posts about it, there are very few mentions of companies using it, and, for what it is, has been largerly ignored in the whole PHP community (forums, etc).
        kolev 12y ago
        I have nearly 30 years of professional experience and my intuition is pretty reliable. If HHVM wasn't what runs the largest PHP app in the world, things would have been much different. Hack brings many language people that Zend for one reason or another didn't not deliver all these years.
        smsm42 12y ago
        Blue whale is the largest mammal on the planet, but that doesn't mean eating nothing but krill is a good idea for every mammal. Everybody has different needs and different capabilities, so "Facebook does it" and "everybody does it" are quite different.
        kolev 12y ago
        As a side note, krill is pretty nutritious - just not widely available to all mammals.
    - debacle 12y ago
      For what it's worth, I agree with you. Don't know why the downvotes are coming - it's very clear to see that FB is going to be better for PHP than Zend.

It's PHP 5.7.0-dev right now. You can download and compile the development branch yourself: https://wiki.php.net/phpng https://wiki.php.net/phpng

by mrsaint 12y ago

It's PHP 5.7.0-dev right now. You can download and compile the development branch yourself: https://wiki.php.net/phpng https://wiki.php.net/phpng

kolev 12y ago

Great. Any ETA on phpng stable release?

trebor 12y ago
Give it a year or two. Seriously! 5.5 was just released a little while ago and 5.6 is just in beta now.
- kolev 12y ago
  Just try to imagine HHVM in year or two. Zend PHP will be irrelevant by then.
  - velodrome 12y ago
    The only way that is going to happen is if HHVM was integrated into PHP core (similar to ZendOpcache).
    - enterx 12y ago
      HHVM is a reimplementation of the PHP language. http://grokbase.com/t/php/php-internals/12bvegp9cv/hhvm-and-php http://grokbase.com/t/php/php-internals/12bvegp9cv/hhvm-and-...
  - trebor 12y ago
    Irrelevant how? I doubt BlueHost, HostGator, Dreamhost, etc, and on and on will have implemented HHVM as their core PHP offering by then. Most web hosts still have PHP 5.3 installed, and even the PHP 5.4 I've used on Media Temple's servers is out of date. But at the rate PHP's release cycle has accelerated (remember that 5.3 dates from 2009...) it's entirely likely that the trend will continue. And more hosts are offering up-to-date PHP versions as an option. I still see a future for Zend PHP.
    - kolev 12y ago
      In 2 years, HHVM will perform so much faster than PHP 6 and Hack will offer so many added benefits that even the shared hosting guys will switch to it as it will make them serve more sites with the same hardware plus developers will push to have Hack in place anyway.
      - coldtea 12y ago
        That's not how it normally works with those kinds of re-implementations. Heck, Python 3 hasn't even replaced Python 2 -- and people will dump PHP for Hack? A language which doesn't even have a community at the moment, it's 99% Facebook people.
        kolev 12y ago
        Python 3 is a different story! As you mention below outliers, let's not use them, please! GNU/Linux OS does not depend on PHP like it depends on Python.
        kolev 12y ago
        Also, if we have to use Python as an example, then PyPy was a better analogy than Python 3.
        coldtea 12y ago
        Only I compared PHP to Hack above. PyPy would be a better analogy to HHVM-PHP.
  - kolev 12y ago
    I'm not sure why you guys ganged up to downvote on something obvious - PHP is loosing grounds to HHVM already. I'm considering it for all my PHP projects already - it's easy to install and most PHP frameworks are well-supported already (http://hhvm.com/frameworks/ http://hhvm.com/frameworks/). I can imagine HHVM having integration within Nginx a la HttpLuaModule, which uses LuaJIT and would eliminate going the FastCGI route.
    - coldtea 12y ago
      >I'm not sure why you guys ganged up to downvote on something obvious - PHP is loosing grounds to HHVM already. Perhaps because some on HN are computer scientists, so to convince them it takes actual numbers and not some anecdotal evidence of what you personally use. Judging from all available data sources, you are an outlier. HHVM doesn't have that large a community (mostly FB people), is not installed in the overwhelming majority of hosts, still has compatibility issues, has few posts about it, there are very few mentions of companies using it, and, for what it is, has been largerly ignored in the whole PHP community (forums, etc).
      - kolev 12y ago
        I have nearly 30 years of professional experience and my intuition is pretty reliable. If HHVM wasn't what runs the largest PHP app in the world, things would have been much different. Hack brings many language people that Zend for one reason or another didn't not deliver all these years.
        smsm42 12y ago
        Blue whale is the largest mammal on the planet, but that doesn't mean eating nothing but krill is a good idea for every mammal. Everybody has different needs and different capabilities, so "Facebook does it" and "everybody does it" are quite different.
        kolev 12y ago
        As a side note, krill is pretty nutritious - just not widely available to all mammals.
  - debacle 12y ago
    For what it's worth, I agree with you. Don't know why the downvotes are coming - it's very clear to see that FB is going to be better for PHP than Zend.