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If you didn't happen to read the article, that is being worked on: "Sony is also working on more consumer-friendly storage - in March it announced it was workin

by RogerL 12y ago

If you didn't happen to read the article, that is being worked on: "Sony is also working on more consumer-friendly storage - in March it announced it was working with Panasonic on the Archival Disc, which will hold 1TB of data, the equivalent of 250 DVD films"

xhrpost 12y ago
My point is that these announcements tend not to mean much to consumers until it actually happens. If it does. Sorry to be a downer, it's just kind of disappointing. My first PC from '95 had an optical drive capable of holding more data than the hard drive. Right now, you have 2.5TB tape, you will likely not see a jump to this but rather 2.5 to 5 to 10, etc. all the way until 185TB fits the graph.
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- venomsnake 12y ago
  Well they would not need the cloud otherwise. The cloud concept was created and pushed relentlessly by the IT giants and never responded to popular demand. AWS being the only exception probably. /Drops tin foil hat.
  - aaronem 12y ago
    > never responded to popular demand Really? I know lots of folks, within the industry and without, who use cloud backup services like Carbonite and Crashplan precisely because they are so much more convenient than maintaining a physical backup scheme, however simple. I veer in the other direction, because I trust USB HDDs in my physical possession more than I trust Crashplan or Carbonite not to screw up, but the argument from convenience is not an unreasonable one, and I'd say it certainly does count as the cloud "respond[ing] to popular demand".
    - venomsnake 12y ago
      My personal remote backup provider (Backblaze) is as cloudy as the FTP. Sending (hopefully) encrypted bytes and retrieving them is not what cloud is for me. What I consider "cloud" is closer to google app engine.
    - icebraining 12y ago
      I trust USB HDDs in my physical possession more than I trust Crashplan or Carbonite not to screw up It's not mutually incompatible: I trust both combined more than I trust each one alone.
- aaronem 12y ago
  I don't know whether it is more reasonable to assume a conspiracy directed at keeping enterprise-scale storage technology out of consumer hands, or simply that a supply chain optimized for enterprise scale has a hard time fulfilling the relatively small and sporadic orders which are characteristic of the limited consumer-level interest in enterprise-scale storage technology -- the same limited interest which militates against trying to "consumerize" high-capacity backup technology in general. I mean, it's not as though you can't buy that sort of equipment and media in the relatively low quantities you'll need for individual use; you can easily, if not cheaply, purchase a SATA LTO-5 drive [0] and tape cartridges for it [1] right now, online. Sure, you'll pay a premium price per item, which a large organization placing an order of commensurate size wouldn't pay -- but that's hardly unique to this class of products, and strikes me as awfully scanty basis on which to construct a conspiracy theory. [0] http://www.amazon.com/Quantum-LTO-5-Height-Tabletop-Bundle/dp/B003B494QI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1399304890&sr=8-4&keywords=lto-5 http://www.amazon.com/Quantum-LTO-5-Height-Tabletop-Bundle/d... [1] http://www.amazon.com/LTO5-Ultrium-1-5TB-3TB-Case/dp/B003KR4CXQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399304890&sr=8-1&keywords=lto-5 http://www.amazon.com/LTO5-Ultrium-1-5TB-3TB-Case/dp/B003KR4...
  - 7952 12y ago
    Even a 1 terabyte disc could be hugely useful in enabling piracy if it was cheap enough. You could share a colossal amount of music without the risk or effort of P2P. Ironically the lack of a consumer grade system is bad for business. A lot of companies have remote offices with crappy connections that could be kept in sync with discs in the mail.
    - xhrpost 12y ago
      Start-up idea? (Minus the piracy of course). I'm not sure of the market but it could appeal to companies and professionals. Say for some reason you want the raw 4k render of Sintel but don't want to download hundreds of Gigabytes. Simply queue your download and then the data is snail-mailed to you on physical media. If you could chain a bunch of 128GB microSD cards together and then place in a sturdy plastic case, you could send terabytes in a single stamp envelope.
    - 12y ago

by RogerL 12y ago

xhrpost 12y ago

My point is that these announcements tend not to mean much to consumers until it actually happens. If it does. Sorry to be a downer, it's just kind of disappointing. My first PC from '95 had an optical drive capable of holding more data than the hard drive. Right now, you have 2.5TB tape, you will likely not see a jump to this but rather 2.5 to 5 to 10, etc. all the way until 185TB fits the graph.

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venomsnake 12y ago
Well they would not need the cloud otherwise. The cloud concept was created and pushed relentlessly by the IT giants and never responded to popular demand. AWS being the only exception probably. /Drops tin foil hat.
- aaronem 12y ago
  > never responded to popular demand Really? I know lots of folks, within the industry and without, who use cloud backup services like Carbonite and Crashplan precisely because they are so much more convenient than maintaining a physical backup scheme, however simple. I veer in the other direction, because I trust USB HDDs in my physical possession more than I trust Crashplan or Carbonite not to screw up, but the argument from convenience is not an unreasonable one, and I'd say it certainly does count as the cloud "respond[ing] to popular demand".
  - venomsnake 12y ago
    My personal remote backup provider (Backblaze) is as cloudy as the FTP. Sending (hopefully) encrypted bytes and retrieving them is not what cloud is for me. What I consider "cloud" is closer to google app engine.
  - icebraining 12y ago
    I trust USB HDDs in my physical possession more than I trust Crashplan or Carbonite not to screw up It's not mutually incompatible: I trust both combined more than I trust each one alone.
aaronem 12y ago
I don't know whether it is more reasonable to assume a conspiracy directed at keeping enterprise-scale storage technology out of consumer hands, or simply that a supply chain optimized for enterprise scale has a hard time fulfilling the relatively small and sporadic orders which are characteristic of the limited consumer-level interest in enterprise-scale storage technology -- the same limited interest which militates against trying to "consumerize" high-capacity backup technology in general. I mean, it's not as though you can't buy that sort of equipment and media in the relatively low quantities you'll need for individual use; you can easily, if not cheaply, purchase a SATA LTO-5 drive [0] and tape cartridges for it [1] right now, online. Sure, you'll pay a premium price per item, which a large organization placing an order of commensurate size wouldn't pay -- but that's hardly unique to this class of products, and strikes me as awfully scanty basis on which to construct a conspiracy theory. [0] http://www.amazon.com/Quantum-LTO-5-Height-Tabletop-Bundle/dp/B003B494QI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1399304890&sr=8-4&keywords=lto-5 http://www.amazon.com/Quantum-LTO-5-Height-Tabletop-Bundle/d... [1] http://www.amazon.com/LTO5-Ultrium-1-5TB-3TB-Case/dp/B003KR4CXQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399304890&sr=8-1&keywords=lto-5 http://www.amazon.com/LTO5-Ultrium-1-5TB-3TB-Case/dp/B003KR4...
- 7952 12y ago
  Even a 1 terabyte disc could be hugely useful in enabling piracy if it was cheap enough. You could share a colossal amount of music without the risk or effort of P2P. Ironically the lack of a consumer grade system is bad for business. A lot of companies have remote offices with crappy connections that could be kept in sync with discs in the mail.
  - xhrpost 12y ago
    Start-up idea? (Minus the piracy of course). I'm not sure of the market but it could appeal to companies and professionals. Say for some reason you want the raw 4k render of Sintel but don't want to download hundreds of Gigabytes. Simply queue your download and then the data is snail-mailed to you on physical media. If you could chain a bunch of 128GB microSD cards together and then place in a sturdy plastic case, you could send terabytes in a single stamp envelope.
  - 12y ago