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Anyone else remember back in 2012 when CloudFlare promised to open source their intermediary chain information? >Going forward, in addition to releasing the di

by tedivm 13y ago

Anyone else remember back in 2012 when CloudFlare promised to open source their intermediary chain information? >Going forward, in addition to releasing the directory of intermediate SSL certificates on Github, we plan on releasing our SSL bundler as a free service so you can package up your SSL certificates as efficiently as possible, even if you're not using CloudFlare. Just one more way we're working to make the web fast and safe. http://blog.cloudflare.com/what-we-just-did-to-make-ssl-even-faster http://blog.cloudflare.com/what-we-just-did-to-make-ssl-even... I hate companies who lie about releasing stuff. If you look through CloudFlare's blog this isn't even the only example- they love promising to be open and give back to the community, but rarely do their actions match their words.

korzun 13y ago
This is pretty silly. They give back to the community and even offer free plans that are pretty damn useful. With amount of growth they have experienced, you should be thankful that they are able to find time for anything at all at this point.
xxdesmus 13y ago
I'll mention this internally. Thank you for the reminder (genuinely). I'll see what I can do about getting this information open sourced. [[UPDATE]] I'm hearing this is still planned, and we're aiming to get this out this coming summer. Internal projects have pushed this back a bit, apologies.
eastdakota 13y ago
We got distracted by other things and never got around to packaging up the packager in a way appropriate for public consumption. You will be happy to know that about a month ago we restarted that project and the team working on it is close to releasing it to the community.
forrestthewoods 13y ago
And comments like this are why companies hate to say anything publicly! If a company says "we plan to..." then odds are they are telling the truth. At the time of writing that is exactly what they were planning to do. It turns out that sometimes plans change. Or planned things take longer than initially planned for. But of course if you ever say anything on the internet people treat it like a promise and then you get called a liar. This is why we can't have nice things.
- wereHamster 13y ago
  Then companies should stop promising things if they are not sure when and if they can actually deliver. https://github.com/holman/feedback/issues/534#issuecomment-41705425 https://github.com/holman/feedback/issues/534#issuecomment-4...
  - Zikes 13y ago
    Valve takes the same approach.
- Pacabel 13y ago
  If a person or organization says that they're going to do something, even if it's qualified as only being "planned", it is indeed a promise to act. Reputable people and organizations who make such statements will then proceed to deliver. If they suspect they won't be able to, for whatever reason, then they'll be careful not to make such statements in the first place. There's absolutely nothing wrong with holding people and organizations to a very high standard regarding what they've publicly claimed that they will or aim to do.
  - bmm6o 13y ago
    You seem to have an excessively narrow definition for planning. If I plan to go to the gym today and it turns out that I do not, would you really say that I broke a promise? Something else came up and I changed my plans. It's possible I lied to you when I told you about my plans, but that is not the same thing as breaking a promise.
- devcpp 13y ago
  >This is why we can't have nice things More like this is why we can't have nice promises. Promises, on their own, are useless. Why should you get the PR boost from an openness promise if you don't actually end up fulfilling it? This is pretty much like false advertising, where you promise some aspects of a product and end up delivering something different. No matter your excuse, this is wrong and unfair to competitors. But business is business and companies still end up making those weak promises to grab some more market share.
ejain 13y ago
I've learned to not hold my breath when companies talk about releasing stuff (e.g. an API), especially when they say they're "working hard" on it...

by tedivm 13y ago

korzun 13y ago

This is pretty silly. They give back to the community and even offer free plans that are pretty damn useful. With amount of growth they have experienced, you should be thankful that they are able to find time for anything at all at this point.

xxdesmus 13y ago

I'll mention this internally. Thank you for the reminder (genuinely). I'll see what I can do about getting this information open sourced. [[UPDATE]] I'm hearing this is still planned, and we're aiming to get this out this coming summer. Internal projects have pushed this back a bit, apologies.

eastdakota 13y ago

We got distracted by other things and never got around to packaging up the packager in a way appropriate for public consumption. You will be happy to know that about a month ago we restarted that project and the team working on it is close to releasing it to the community.

forrestthewoods 13y ago

And comments like this are why companies hate to say anything publicly! If a company says "we plan to..." then odds are they are telling the truth. At the time of writing that is exactly what they were planning to do. It turns out that sometimes plans change. Or planned things take longer than initially planned for. But of course if you ever say anything on the internet people treat it like a promise and then you get called a liar. This is why we can't have nice things.

wereHamster 13y ago
Then companies should stop promising things if they are not sure when and if they can actually deliver. https://github.com/holman/feedback/issues/534#issuecomment-41705425 https://github.com/holman/feedback/issues/534#issuecomment-4...
- Zikes 13y ago
  Valve takes the same approach.
Pacabel 13y ago
If a person or organization says that they're going to do something, even if it's qualified as only being "planned", it is indeed a promise to act. Reputable people and organizations who make such statements will then proceed to deliver. If they suspect they won't be able to, for whatever reason, then they'll be careful not to make such statements in the first place. There's absolutely nothing wrong with holding people and organizations to a very high standard regarding what they've publicly claimed that they will or aim to do.
- bmm6o 13y ago
  You seem to have an excessively narrow definition for planning. If I plan to go to the gym today and it turns out that I do not, would you really say that I broke a promise? Something else came up and I changed my plans. It's possible I lied to you when I told you about my plans, but that is not the same thing as breaking a promise.
devcpp 13y ago
>This is why we can't have nice things More like this is why we can't have nice promises. Promises, on their own, are useless. Why should you get the PR boost from an openness promise if you don't actually end up fulfilling it? This is pretty much like false advertising, where you promise some aspects of a product and end up delivering something different. No matter your excuse, this is wrong and unfair to competitors. But business is business and companies still end up making those weak promises to grab some more market share.

ejain 13y ago

I've learned to not hold my breath when companies talk about releasing stuff (e.g. an API), especially when they say they're "working hard" on it...