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A friend of mine said he would never visit Saudi Arabia because he could get jailed or killed for no reason or no fair trial. I told him thats my reason for not

by antocv 12y ago

A friend of mine said he would never visit Saudi Arabia because he could get jailed or killed for no reason or no fair trial. I told him thats my reason for not visiting USA, Bradley Manning among a list of many and Guantanamo.

jpatokal 12y ago
Also, you would not be "jailed or killed for no reason" in Saudi Arabia -- it's just that some of the reasons you would be jailed are a bit unusual (adultery, alcohol, proselytizing). https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia#Respect https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia#Respect
- PythonicAlpha 12y ago
  Or for women: Having been raped .... (I don't find the link now, but there was a news about a European woman, that was raped and when she was going to the police, she was arrested for adultery and threatened with jail (I think) or else she should marry the rapist. I am not sure, if it was Saudi Arabia or a neighboring country, but such a thing just makes me ill!)
  - kps 12y ago
    You're probably thinking of Marte Dalelv, a Norwegian woman on a business trip in Dubai†. Or possibly Alicia Gali, the Australian woman raped and then jailed 8 months in Fujairah UAE‡. †http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Marte_Dalelv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Marte_Dalelv ‡http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Gali http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Gali
- vacri 12y ago
  I once worked with an Eritrean whose family came to Australia by way of Canada after moving to Saudi. They moved away from Saudi because my colleague's father noted that there are no protections for black people under Saudi law - if something went wrong, they were utterly screwed. They could be targeted by criminals and the law wouldn't care a jot. Saudi laws should not be characterised as "just a little stricter and odder than we're used to". http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/saudi-arabia-the-middle-easts-real-apartheid-state/ http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/saudi-arabia-th... Saudi also practises that modern form of slavery where slaves aren't property now, they're merely foreign labourers who have had their identity documents removed so they can't escape and their promised wages withheld. http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2013/december/saudi-arabia-defending-slavery.htm http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2013/december/saudi-arabia-defend...

by antocv 12y ago

jpatokal 12y ago

Also, you would not be "jailed or killed for no reason" in Saudi Arabia -- it's just that some of the reasons you would be jailed are a bit unusual (adultery, alcohol, proselytizing). https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia#Respect https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia#Respect

PythonicAlpha 12y ago
Or for women: Having been raped .... (I don't find the link now, but there was a news about a European woman, that was raped and when she was going to the police, she was arrested for adultery and threatened with jail (I think) or else she should marry the rapist. I am not sure, if it was Saudi Arabia or a neighboring country, but such a thing just makes me ill!)
- kps 12y ago
  You're probably thinking of Marte Dalelv, a Norwegian woman on a business trip in Dubai†. Or possibly Alicia Gali, the Australian woman raped and then jailed 8 months in Fujairah UAE‡. †http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Marte_Dalelv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Marte_Dalelv ‡http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Gali http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Gali
vacri 12y ago
I once worked with an Eritrean whose family came to Australia by way of Canada after moving to Saudi. They moved away from Saudi because my colleague's father noted that there are no protections for black people under Saudi law - if something went wrong, they were utterly screwed. They could be targeted by criminals and the law wouldn't care a jot. Saudi laws should not be characterised as "just a little stricter and odder than we're used to". http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/saudi-arabia-the-middle-easts-real-apartheid-state/ http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/saudi-arabia-th... Saudi also practises that modern form of slavery where slaves aren't property now, they're merely foreign labourers who have had their identity documents removed so they can't escape and their promised wages withheld. http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2013/december/saudi-arabia-defending-slavery.htm http://www.al-bab.com/blog/2013/december/saudi-arabia-defend...