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No it's biased because the article spends half its time talking about scandals in Samsung's history and praising Jobs/Apple as unbelievable visionaries brutally

No it's biased because the article spends half its time talking about scandals in Samsung's history and praising Jobs/Apple as unbelievable visionaries brutally screwed by corporate Korea.

gress 12y ago
The scandals characterize the behavior of the company. You can't pretend they didn't happen.
- hahainternet 12y ago
  I didn't say they didn't happen. I said the article is biased because it focuses on one side alone.
  - gress 12y ago
    The scandals don't belong to Apple. Of course they are only on 'one side'. Just because it doesn't make both companies look as bad doesn't make it biased.
    - hahainternet 12y ago
      Well, this just made me give up on HN.
      - jscheng 12y ago
        Why? Are you a Samsung employee? They've been caught and fined lying about other companies in Asia. Samsung is by far the sickest, more unethical, corrupt, and disgusting greedy assholes on the planet.
        salgernon 12y ago
        Are you Posting under the Two different accounts? A sibling post by a user, jackshaocheng has s similarstyleof writing with similar use of asshole
        hahainternet 12y ago
        Apple made such publicly false claims they were called back before the court twice to correct them. They took the unprecedented step of forcing Apple to run a court ordered statement on their homepage. They also determined that as part of this trial Apple had extremely dubiously tried to play two European courts against each other to obtain an illegitimate injunction.
        gress 12y ago
        Yes, thanks for saying this, it really brings balance... Oh wait... It doesn't change the way Samsung comes out of this.
        hahainternet 12y ago
        > Yes, thanks for saying this, it really brings balance... > Oh wait... It doesn't change the way Samsung comes out of this. You clearly have a psychological issue with understand what 'balance' is. When you point out facts that show a company to behave poorly but then ignore the facts showing their competitor to behave poorly, that is not balance. I did not once suggest Samsung didn't do these things, but to gloss over Apple's egregious and flagrant dismissals of EU wide court authority is to bias an article. I'm sorry you are incapable of seeing this.
        gress 12y ago
        The point is that Apple's poor behavior barely registers on the scale by comparison to Samsung's, so the truth is not balanced. That is why the article doesn't bother to mention these things. You would like to make the claim that they are both as bad as each other because that way Samsung doesn't look as bad as it really is. That's why you are calling for this 'balance'.
  - jackshaocheng 12y ago
    The problem in this case is caused solely by Samsung. Also, the author pointed out cases after cases of Samsung unethical practices besides Apple. The author sole 'bias', in this case, is that he left out all Samsung's shenanigans in Asia. It's not just in U.S. and Europe where Samsung has been caught and fined, again and again, but in China's and Taiwan's smartphone market as well. In those cases, Samsung's 'tactics', and actually being forced to pay a fine, makes the Apple case look tame. You can not argue that it is bias when an author presents established court decisions after decisions. In this case, Apple is clearly the victim. Samsung has a rich history of being assholes, and it's good to see U.S. media finally pointing out the company for what the sick, unethical, greedy, and corrupt company it is, the the assholes who own and operate the entity.
jscheng 12y ago
How is it bias if all the allegations are true? Samsung does this shit in China, and in Taiwan. If the author was biased, it's that he completely left out all the Samsung shenanigans in China's and Taiwan's smart phone market. The author only mentioned U.S. and Europe. But Samsung, the sick assholes they are, do the same things in Asia as well.
- personjerry 12y ago
  It's very easy to have bias even if the facts are correct. For example there's a chemical that is used in the production of most explosives, and anyone who has ever ingested it will assuredly die. I'm talking about water, but I made it sound like I was referring to a dangerous toxin. The whole point of unbiased media is to present facts on both sides--like another comment said, we need to understand the unscrupulous practices of both Apple and Samsung.
  - gress 12y ago
    No media behaves anything like what you are calling for. Yes, this would be ideal, but it is so meaningless to call for it in the context of a single article that it is effectively a straw man. What we currently live with is media either painting a realistic picture, or not. In this case it is realistic.

No it's biased because the article spends half its time talking about scandals in Samsung's history and praising Jobs/Apple as unbelievable visionaries brutally screwed by corporate Korea.

gress 12y ago

The scandals characterize the behavior of the company. You can't pretend they didn't happen.

hahainternet 12y ago
I didn't say they didn't happen. I said the article is biased because it focuses on one side alone.
- gress 12y ago
  The scandals don't belong to Apple. Of course they are only on 'one side'. Just because it doesn't make both companies look as bad doesn't make it biased.
  - hahainternet 12y ago
    Well, this just made me give up on HN.
    - jscheng 12y ago
      Why? Are you a Samsung employee? They've been caught and fined lying about other companies in Asia. Samsung is by far the sickest, more unethical, corrupt, and disgusting greedy assholes on the planet.
      - salgernon 12y ago
        Are you Posting under the Two different accounts? A sibling post by a user, jackshaocheng has s similarstyleof writing with similar use of asshole
      - hahainternet 12y ago
        Apple made such publicly false claims they were called back before the court twice to correct them. They took the unprecedented step of forcing Apple to run a court ordered statement on their homepage. They also determined that as part of this trial Apple had extremely dubiously tried to play two European courts against each other to obtain an illegitimate injunction.
        gress 12y ago
        Yes, thanks for saying this, it really brings balance... Oh wait... It doesn't change the way Samsung comes out of this.
        hahainternet 12y ago
        > Yes, thanks for saying this, it really brings balance... > Oh wait... It doesn't change the way Samsung comes out of this. You clearly have a psychological issue with understand what 'balance' is. When you point out facts that show a company to behave poorly but then ignore the facts showing their competitor to behave poorly, that is not balance. I did not once suggest Samsung didn't do these things, but to gloss over Apple's egregious and flagrant dismissals of EU wide court authority is to bias an article. I'm sorry you are incapable of seeing this.
        gress 12y ago
        The point is that Apple's poor behavior barely registers on the scale by comparison to Samsung's, so the truth is not balanced. That is why the article doesn't bother to mention these things. You would like to make the claim that they are both as bad as each other because that way Samsung doesn't look as bad as it really is. That's why you are calling for this 'balance'.
- jackshaocheng 12y ago
  The problem in this case is caused solely by Samsung. Also, the author pointed out cases after cases of Samsung unethical practices besides Apple. The author sole 'bias', in this case, is that he left out all Samsung's shenanigans in Asia. It's not just in U.S. and Europe where Samsung has been caught and fined, again and again, but in China's and Taiwan's smartphone market as well. In those cases, Samsung's 'tactics', and actually being forced to pay a fine, makes the Apple case look tame. You can not argue that it is bias when an author presents established court decisions after decisions. In this case, Apple is clearly the victim. Samsung has a rich history of being assholes, and it's good to see U.S. media finally pointing out the company for what the sick, unethical, greedy, and corrupt company it is, the the assholes who own and operate the entity.

jscheng 12y ago

How is it bias if all the allegations are true? Samsung does this shit in China, and in Taiwan. If the author was biased, it's that he completely left out all the Samsung shenanigans in China's and Taiwan's smart phone market. The author only mentioned U.S. and Europe. But Samsung, the sick assholes they are, do the same things in Asia as well.

personjerry 12y ago
It's very easy to have bias even if the facts are correct. For example there's a chemical that is used in the production of most explosives, and anyone who has ever ingested it will assuredly die. I'm talking about water, but I made it sound like I was referring to a dangerous toxin. The whole point of unbiased media is to present facts on both sides--like another comment said, we need to understand the unscrupulous practices of both Apple and Samsung.
- gress 12y ago
  No media behaves anything like what you are calling for. Yes, this would be ideal, but it is so meaningless to call for it in the context of a single article that it is effectively a straw man. What we currently live with is media either painting a realistic picture, or not. In this case it is realistic.