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#1 by far: GSAP! Lots if not most award winning stuff w/ them, ex, spend a few minutes on http://intothearctic.gp http://intothearctic.gp It makes famo.us look

#1 by far: GSAP! Lots if not most award winning stuff w/ them, ex, spend a few minutes on http://intothearctic.gp http://intothearctic.gp It makes famo.us look like the 80s.

malandrew 12y ago
There's nothing inherently special about Into The Arctic that isn't easy to accomplish in both famo.us and GSAP, so I can only conclude that you haven't really used famo.us (which would be understandable since it's only been available publicly for 3 weeks now). The reason I find the tone of your post interesting is because we just hired someone two weeks ago who has been using GSAP professionally and sees much more promise in what we're doing. Personally I haven't used GSAP enough to render an opinion, so I use his decisions as proxy until I can give GSAP the attention it deserves. Furthermore, no regular HNer who values the high quality of discourse on this site would say something like "It makes famo.us look like the 80s." That's kindergarten playground smack talking. So, given the tone of your post, do you have any conflicts of interest or biases you should be disclosing to the HN community? Mine are obvious. I work at famo.us. total karma 80, average karma per post 0.39. That helps be better consider the value of your contribution, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Besides any conflicts of interest, how long have you been using GSAP and how long have you been using famo.us?
- puppetmaster3 12y ago
  (Rather than your personal attack or your self importance, lets focus on the discussion instead of redirection, m'k.) Let me underline a stark fact: GSAP can and is used by designers. Famo.us is used by programmers, so it is not a fair fight, designers writer nicer and more creative UI, end of story. Look at Swing apps, they lost out to Web due to programer UI. Famo.us took too long to develop and the window is now closed shut, that is my prediction. That is the footnote to famo.us investors, too long, too many pivots. Ads are being done in GSAP, google IO (http://www.google.com/events/io http://www.google.com/events/io ) is GSAP, etc. due to works with existing flow. It's true that something done in GSAP by designer quickly, could be re-done in Famo.us by a programmer later, but it won't be. And games won't be done in Famou.us either, it does not work w/ models, or modelers, but a game engine like http://typescript.away3d.com http://typescript.away3d.com does. Famo.us is interesting and fun tech experiment, but it will be the market development (lean) that decides, not me. Famo.us are behind in the market and way slow development velocity to pivot again. I am a techie and root for such, but famo.us is an example that makes techies look bad, a solution w/o a problem, as just chasing a tech w/o market. I did start out liking famo.us when it first came up, but moved on after the long delays. There are positive examples of techies aligned with a market, that is what we need. Anyway, I just made a prediction of your market, lets it in 2 more years.
  - malandrew 12y ago
    Famo.us took too long to develop and the window is now closed shut, that is my prediction. Famo.us is interesting and fun tech experiment, but it will be the market development (lean) that decides, not me. Famo.us are behind in the market and way slow development velocity to pivot again. I'm not going to make a prediction myself, since I have a dog in this fight, but you're just spreading FUD and Github can back me up on this. As of today, Sunday May, 4, 2014, GSAP JS libs [0] have 1265 stars and 226 forks, 1 open issue and 35 closed issues. The famous github repo [1], which has been publicly available for 3-4 weeks has 3229 stars, 404 forks, 38 open issues and 119 closed issues (main repo and submodules combined). That's hardly a textbook case of "window [of opportunity] is now closed shut". In fact, in light of this new evidence, you may want to re-evaluate if you are on the right side of the decision being made by the market. Being first doesn't matter. Google wasn't the first search engine, nor was Facebook the first social network. In fact the market is littered with the bodies of first movers. And games won't be done in Famou.us either, it does not work w/ models, or modelers, but a game engine like http://typescript.away3d.com does. FWIW, One of the main creators of [redacted quantity] top 40 highest grossing video games of all times is exploring famous for his next game. Again, one of my questions still stands, have you even used famo.us? Yes or no? Also, what do java swing apps have to do with famous and GSAP? [0] https://github.com/greensock/GreenSock-JS https://github.com/greensock/GreenSock-JS [1] https://github.com/famous/famous https://github.com/famous/famous
    - puppetmaster3 12y ago
      I'll wish you good luck. Please post websites, webapps or games built w/ famo.us when they are. The personal thing of yours, you must work for GSAP and now something else, is not a good approach to evangelize your brand. I gave you specific example where you'll fail: no workflow for designers or modelers. Famo.us was early as it relates to your example, but chose not to release. What year were your first showing those cool videos? Famo.us chose not to do customer development apparently. How do I import a model? ex: http://kurst.co.uk/samples/awayts/tests/?test=js/Intermediate_PerelithKnight.js http://kurst.co.uk/samples/awayts/tests/?test=js/Intermediat... Most if not all WbGL work w/ Maya, Blender, etc. One game may be written in famo.us? m'k. A few of classic mistakes. Please be open to learn the lesson of a solution looking for a problem w/ $5M ( http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/famo-us http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/famo-us ). The investors made a mistake, it happens.

#1 by far: GSAP! Lots if not most award winning stuff w/ them, ex, spend a few minutes on http://intothearctic.gp http://intothearctic.gp It makes famo.us look like the 80s.

malandrew 12y ago

There's nothing inherently special about Into The Arctic that isn't easy to accomplish in both famo.us and GSAP, so I can only conclude that you haven't really used famo.us (which would be understandable since it's only been available publicly for 3 weeks now). The reason I find the tone of your post interesting is because we just hired someone two weeks ago who has been using GSAP professionally and sees much more promise in what we're doing. Personally I haven't used GSAP enough to render an opinion, so I use his decisions as proxy until I can give GSAP the attention it deserves. Furthermore, no regular HNer who values the high quality of discourse on this site would say something like "It makes famo.us look like the 80s." That's kindergarten playground smack talking. So, given the tone of your post, do you have any conflicts of interest or biases you should be disclosing to the HN community? Mine are obvious. I work at famo.us. total karma 80, average karma per post 0.39. That helps be better consider the value of your contribution, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Besides any conflicts of interest, how long have you been using GSAP and how long have you been using famo.us?

puppetmaster3 12y ago
(Rather than your personal attack or your self importance, lets focus on the discussion instead of redirection, m'k.) Let me underline a stark fact: GSAP can and is used by designers. Famo.us is used by programmers, so it is not a fair fight, designers writer nicer and more creative UI, end of story. Look at Swing apps, they lost out to Web due to programer UI. Famo.us took too long to develop and the window is now closed shut, that is my prediction. That is the footnote to famo.us investors, too long, too many pivots. Ads are being done in GSAP, google IO (http://www.google.com/events/io http://www.google.com/events/io ) is GSAP, etc. due to works with existing flow. It's true that something done in GSAP by designer quickly, could be re-done in Famo.us by a programmer later, but it won't be. And games won't be done in Famou.us either, it does not work w/ models, or modelers, but a game engine like http://typescript.away3d.com http://typescript.away3d.com does. Famo.us is interesting and fun tech experiment, but it will be the market development (lean) that decides, not me. Famo.us are behind in the market and way slow development velocity to pivot again. I am a techie and root for such, but famo.us is an example that makes techies look bad, a solution w/o a problem, as just chasing a tech w/o market. I did start out liking famo.us when it first came up, but moved on after the long delays. There are positive examples of techies aligned with a market, that is what we need. Anyway, I just made a prediction of your market, lets it in 2 more years.
- malandrew 12y ago
  Famo.us took too long to develop and the window is now closed shut, that is my prediction. Famo.us is interesting and fun tech experiment, but it will be the market development (lean) that decides, not me. Famo.us are behind in the market and way slow development velocity to pivot again. I'm not going to make a prediction myself, since I have a dog in this fight, but you're just spreading FUD and Github can back me up on this. As of today, Sunday May, 4, 2014, GSAP JS libs [0] have 1265 stars and 226 forks, 1 open issue and 35 closed issues. The famous github repo [1], which has been publicly available for 3-4 weeks has 3229 stars, 404 forks, 38 open issues and 119 closed issues (main repo and submodules combined). That's hardly a textbook case of "window [of opportunity] is now closed shut". In fact, in light of this new evidence, you may want to re-evaluate if you are on the right side of the decision being made by the market. Being first doesn't matter. Google wasn't the first search engine, nor was Facebook the first social network. In fact the market is littered with the bodies of first movers. And games won't be done in Famou.us either, it does not work w/ models, or modelers, but a game engine like http://typescript.away3d.com does. FWIW, One of the main creators of [redacted quantity] top 40 highest grossing video games of all times is exploring famous for his next game. Again, one of my questions still stands, have you even used famo.us? Yes or no? Also, what do java swing apps have to do with famous and GSAP? [0] https://github.com/greensock/GreenSock-JS https://github.com/greensock/GreenSock-JS [1] https://github.com/famous/famous https://github.com/famous/famous
  - puppetmaster3 12y ago
    I'll wish you good luck. Please post websites, webapps or games built w/ famo.us when they are. The personal thing of yours, you must work for GSAP and now something else, is not a good approach to evangelize your brand. I gave you specific example where you'll fail: no workflow for designers or modelers. Famo.us was early as it relates to your example, but chose not to release. What year were your first showing those cool videos? Famo.us chose not to do customer development apparently. How do I import a model? ex: http://kurst.co.uk/samples/awayts/tests/?test=js/Intermediate_PerelithKnight.js http://kurst.co.uk/samples/awayts/tests/?test=js/Intermediat... Most if not all WbGL work w/ Maya, Blender, etc. One game may be written in famo.us? m'k. A few of classic mistakes. Please be open to learn the lesson of a solution looking for a problem w/ $5M ( http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/famo-us http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/famo-us ). The investors made a mistake, it happens.