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Very popular? If you insist.

by jonathansizz 12y ago

pcmonk 12y ago
In the world of tiling window managers, there are a few well-known names. Xmonad is one of them.
- jonathansizz 12y ago
  And are any tiling window managers popular? Didn't think so.
  - sgeisenh 12y ago
    Check out /r/unixporn. There are some excellent setups in there. I think the lack of a standout tiling window manager might be the result of the quantity of excellent WMs in existence. Regardless, if you've never had an experience using a tiling window manager, I would highly recommend it. Once you get past a certain threshold, your productivity skyrockets!
    - lispm 12y ago
      Sure, my Symbolics Lisp Machine had a tiling window manager 30 years ago. Today I could use Stumpwm, written in Common Lisp. It's just that I don't use X that much...
- Pacabel 12y ago
  I think that's backing up the point he's making, though. When considering the big picture, tiling window managers are quite minor and relatively infrequently used. Having a small amount of influence within a rather obscure field ends up translating to basically no importance in practice. There are many examples of very large and critical software systems implemented in languages like C, C++, Java, C#, Perl, Python, Ruby, and others. We just don't see anything like this when it comes to Haskell, however. The examples that do exist are quite minor in reality, and this will naturally make some people skeptical about Haskell's practicality.
  - chrisdone 12y ago
    That kind of stuff just takes a bit of time. It's kind of irrelevant to the language itself. Python and Ruby didn't hit the mainstream until the 2000's, despite being invented in the 90's. C# and Java both have huge company backing, and C and C++ have had traction since the 80's and earlier. And we all know sysadmins love Perl. Haskell's popularity is only a recent thing. It only kicked off with a few proper books in the past few years.
    - Pacabel 12y ago
      I wouldn't exactly call Haskell "popular". It isn't as obscure as some programming languages, but realistically, it sees comparatively little use in practice. And Haskell predates Python, Ruby, JavaScript, Java and C#. It has had a very long time to become more widely used, yet we just haven't seen this happen. It's not like people don't know about it; many students, academics and practitioners have been exposed to it for years now, and it does get a fair amount of hype for a language that has experienced limited use in practice. I just don't think it offers enough benefit for the cost involved with learning and using it. If the balance were better, we'd see it being used. But that isn't the case, so it sees minimal usage.
- lispm 12y ago
  Stumpwm is another. Which is written in Lisp.

Very popular? If you insist.

pcmonk 12y ago

In the world of tiling window managers, there are a few well-known names. Xmonad is one of them.

jonathansizz 12y ago
And are any tiling window managers popular? Didn't think so.
- sgeisenh 12y ago
  Check out /r/unixporn. There are some excellent setups in there. I think the lack of a standout tiling window manager might be the result of the quantity of excellent WMs in existence. Regardless, if you've never had an experience using a tiling window manager, I would highly recommend it. Once you get past a certain threshold, your productivity skyrockets!
  - lispm 12y ago
    Sure, my Symbolics Lisp Machine had a tiling window manager 30 years ago. Today I could use Stumpwm, written in Common Lisp. It's just that I don't use X that much...
Pacabel 12y ago
I think that's backing up the point he's making, though. When considering the big picture, tiling window managers are quite minor and relatively infrequently used. Having a small amount of influence within a rather obscure field ends up translating to basically no importance in practice. There are many examples of very large and critical software systems implemented in languages like C, C++, Java, C#, Perl, Python, Ruby, and others. We just don't see anything like this when it comes to Haskell, however. The examples that do exist are quite minor in reality, and this will naturally make some people skeptical about Haskell's practicality.
- chrisdone 12y ago
  That kind of stuff just takes a bit of time. It's kind of irrelevant to the language itself. Python and Ruby didn't hit the mainstream until the 2000's, despite being invented in the 90's. C# and Java both have huge company backing, and C and C++ have had traction since the 80's and earlier. And we all know sysadmins love Perl. Haskell's popularity is only a recent thing. It only kicked off with a few proper books in the past few years.
  - Pacabel 12y ago
    I wouldn't exactly call Haskell "popular". It isn't as obscure as some programming languages, but realistically, it sees comparatively little use in practice. And Haskell predates Python, Ruby, JavaScript, Java and C#. It has had a very long time to become more widely used, yet we just haven't seen this happen. It's not like people don't know about it; many students, academics and practitioners have been exposed to it for years now, and it does get a fair amount of hype for a language that has experienced limited use in practice. I just don't think it offers enough benefit for the cost involved with learning and using it. If the balance were better, we'd see it being used. But that isn't the case, so it sees minimal usage.
lispm 12y ago
Stumpwm is another. Which is written in Lisp.