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The thing is, people (women and men) were talking in a similar way in the '80s — I was there. In CA. This has been a long time in coming, and I don't believe it

The thing is, people (women and men) were talking in a similar way in the '80s — I was there. In CA. This has been a long time in coming, and I don't believe it was every especially isolated to females. Also, the phenomenon of "vocal fry" (that sort of gravelly sound made by younger people, usually near the end of a sentence)—that's not new, either. I happen to like it, and I remember listening pleasantly to girls who talked that way in the '90s, and possibly before.

_delirium 12y ago
There was even a debate about its spread in the NYT letters section in late 1991 and early 1992, e.g.: http://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/19/opinion/l-high-rising-terminal-declarative-eh-061992.html http://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/19/opinion/l-high-rising-term...
b_emery 12y ago
*"vocal fry" Do you have an example? I was there too, but have no idea what you mean. Spicoli from Fast Times at Ridgemont High perhaps?
- anateus 12y ago
  Looks like my job in this thread is to drop in Language Log links. Here's some information on vocal fry (another phenomenon perennially trotted out as coming back or expanding): http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3626 http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3626
- skore 12y ago
  Male example: VICE Correspondent Hamilton Morris - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fRTk9F9FGU#t=103 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fRTk9F9FGU#t=103
- biot 12y ago
  Here's a good rant on vocal fry, exaggerated for effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsE5mysfZsY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsE5mysfZsY The sad thing is that I know someone who talks exactly like this.
  - WWLink 12y ago
    sounds like the boss in office space
- gzzzzzd 12y ago
  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15scu1_faith-salie-on-speaking-with-vocal-fry_news http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15scu1_faith-salie-on-spea...
bluthru 12y ago
Vocal fry is nails on a chalkboard for me. It's the vocal equivalent of slouching. It seems disrespectful to others to not say words without the required air support.
xanderstrike 12y ago
My parents are in their early 50s and their speech is peppered with uptalk. The both grew up in the San Fernando Valley (the origin of the "valley girl" sterotype). This is by no means a new thing. If anything, it's a developing regional dialect like South American English, Cockney, Scouse, Australian English, or any other spin of our language. Small minded people will always look down on those who don't speak just like them, but the rest of us appreciate the fascinating variety.

_delirium 12y ago

There was even a debate about its spread in the NYT letters section in late 1991 and early 1992, e.g.: http://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/19/opinion/l-high-rising-terminal-declarative-eh-061992.html http://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/19/opinion/l-high-rising-term...

b_emery 12y ago

*"vocal fry" Do you have an example? I was there too, but have no idea what you mean. Spicoli from Fast Times at Ridgemont High perhaps?

anateus 12y ago
Looks like my job in this thread is to drop in Language Log links. Here's some information on vocal fry (another phenomenon perennially trotted out as coming back or expanding): http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3626 http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3626
skore 12y ago
Male example: VICE Correspondent Hamilton Morris - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fRTk9F9FGU#t=103 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fRTk9F9FGU#t=103
biot 12y ago
Here's a good rant on vocal fry, exaggerated for effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsE5mysfZsY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsE5mysfZsY The sad thing is that I know someone who talks exactly like this.
- WWLink 12y ago
  sounds like the boss in office space
gzzzzzd 12y ago
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15scu1_faith-salie-on-speaking-with-vocal-fry_news http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15scu1_faith-salie-on-spea...

bluthru 12y ago

Vocal fry is nails on a chalkboard for me. It's the vocal equivalent of slouching. It seems disrespectful to others to not say words without the required air support.

xanderstrike 12y ago

My parents are in their early 50s and their speech is peppered with uptalk. The both grew up in the San Fernando Valley (the origin of the "valley girl" sterotype). This is by no means a new thing. If anything, it's a developing regional dialect like South American English, Cockney, Scouse, Australian English, or any other spin of our language. Small minded people will always look down on those who don't speak just like them, but the rest of us appreciate the fascinating variety.