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What language created in the last 5 years has a feature that wasn't originally discovered in the 80s or earlier? It's all too easy to bash new languages for not

What language created in the last 5 years has a feature that wasn't originally discovered in the 80s or earlier? It's all too easy to bash new languages for not having some hot new, never before seen feature, meanwhile there are almost no examples of new languages doing earth shattering things. I think what we're currently seeing with Go, Rust, Elixir and others is taking the features that are perceived as good as trying to combine them in different ways.

pseudonom- 13y ago
I think the point of the above comment is that Go doesn't even include those decades old features.
pjmlp 13y ago
Quite true. Just that Go designers didn't include most of the things that became mainstream since then.
- mseepgood 13y ago
  So they had enough time to observe these things in mainstream languages and recognize that a lot of them are not worth the hassle.
  - pjmlp 13y ago
    Actually I think that given that they gave birth to one of the most unsafe languages on the planet, and publicly ranted against OO and FP languages during their career, they have choosen to ignore them as a political decision.
    - kyrra 13y ago
      What makes it unsafe? The worst you can do is cause your program to panic (which you can recover).
      - iv_08 13y ago
        He's talking about C, not Go. Because Ken Thompson created B, the precursor of C.
azth 13y ago
> What language created in the last 5 years has a feature that wasn't originally discovered in the 80s or earlier? I may be wrong, but isn't Rust's static lifetime analysis to avoid GC something novel?
- gress 13y ago
  Objective-C has it.
  - azth 13y ago
    Do you have any references? Searching for "objective c lifetime analysis" turned up articles for ARC, which is not exactly the same thing.
    - gress 13y ago
      I meant ARC. I know it's not exactly the same, but it's similar enough when we're talking about novelty in programming languages.
      - plorkyeran 13y ago
        ARC doesn't involve any sort of nontrivial lifetime analysis. The compiler simply inserts calls to retain and release at all of the same places where explicit calls to them (hopefully) were with manual reference counting. The only vaguely novel part of any of it was successfully migrating a language from manual to automatic reference counting.
        gress 13y ago
        Actually that's not entirely true. Arc inserts the calls first, but then does an elimination phase that can identify lifetimes beyond method boundaries and remove unnecessary calls. It's not particularly complex, but the architecture is there for further enhancement of this phase as they build out the static analyzer.

pseudonom- 13y ago

I think the point of the above comment is that Go doesn't even include those decades old features.

pjmlp 13y ago

Quite true. Just that Go designers didn't include most of the things that became mainstream since then.

mseepgood 13y ago
So they had enough time to observe these things in mainstream languages and recognize that a lot of them are not worth the hassle.
- pjmlp 13y ago
  Actually I think that given that they gave birth to one of the most unsafe languages on the planet, and publicly ranted against OO and FP languages during their career, they have choosen to ignore them as a political decision.
  - kyrra 13y ago
    What makes it unsafe? The worst you can do is cause your program to panic (which you can recover).
    - iv_08 13y ago
      He's talking about C, not Go. Because Ken Thompson created B, the precursor of C.

azth 13y ago

> What language created in the last 5 years has a feature that wasn't originally discovered in the 80s or earlier? I may be wrong, but isn't Rust's static lifetime analysis to avoid GC something novel?

gress 13y ago
Objective-C has it.
- azth 13y ago
  Do you have any references? Searching for "objective c lifetime analysis" turned up articles for ARC, which is not exactly the same thing.
  - gress 13y ago
    I meant ARC. I know it's not exactly the same, but it's similar enough when we're talking about novelty in programming languages.
    - plorkyeran 13y ago
      ARC doesn't involve any sort of nontrivial lifetime analysis. The compiler simply inserts calls to retain and release at all of the same places where explicit calls to them (hopefully) were with manual reference counting. The only vaguely novel part of any of it was successfully migrating a language from manual to automatic reference counting.
      - gress 13y ago
        Actually that's not entirely true. Arc inserts the calls first, but then does an elimination phase that can identify lifetimes beyond method boundaries and remove unnecessary calls. It's not particularly complex, but the architecture is there for further enhancement of this phase as they build out the static analyzer.