5 ms·

Signed copy of PG's "On Lisp" (out of print) - for charity

30 points by modsearch 17y ago

modsearch 17y ago
Autographed, new condition, from the box PG got when the book was published. The book goes for over $200 without an autograph as its out of print and quite rare. Its being auctioned off for charity by YC-funded startup Listia. If you do buy credits to bid, but do not end up winning, we can refund your purchase in full. enjoy!
- pg 17y ago
  I think a lot of people may not realize how cheap this is. 700 credits is effectively $20, because you get 500 free credits for signing up, and additional credits only cost 10 cents.
  - prakash 17y ago
    Did you wear that Armani coat on sales calls or to raise money?
    - jacquesm 17y ago
      how about a cashmere sweater ? http://www.listia.com/auction/208 http://www.listia.com/auction/208
      - slackenerny 17y ago
        Heh.. How about Dracula cape!? (I saw it in the previous announcement, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=743881 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=743881) Ed: Also PG could clarify what he scribbled on there.. http://c0139491.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/photos/231/large.JPG http://c0139491.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/photos/231... I deciphered only 8 first characters from the first line (Happy ha*); also, G in PG looks exactly like my handwritten &, which is lovely, but nobody will believe me I haven't forged that.
        pg 17y ago
        Happy hacking!
    - pg 17y ago
      I think I did wear it when we were visiting galleries for Artix, the horrible startup we tried before Viaweb, because I found a couple Artix business cards in the pocket.
      - prakash 17y ago
        You should include those Business cards with the coat :-)
        tdoggette 17y ago
        As the proud new owner of pg's old coat, I wouldn't say no to that.
  - jacquesm 17y ago
    It is cheap, on ebay the unsigned version goes for $85. (I checked ;) ).
  - mattyb 17y ago
    I want this, but when I signed up I only got 100 credits. I sent them an email.
    - jacquesm 17y ago
      To get more credits you're supposed to list stuff and use the site (on the premise that you will use it more in the future if you've used it once before). But don't bother, see above.
    - pg 17y ago
      That sounds like a bug.
      - shawndrost 17y ago
        If so, it's an unfortunate one, because it looks identical to a common bait-and-switch. The pre-signup copy reads "Get 500 free credits \n Earn more by referring friends, listing auctions, or buying them ($0.10 each)" After signup, you have 100 credits, and the site copy reads something like "list something to get the rest of your 500 credits". Get on this, guys.
      - modsearch 17y ago
        sorry about the wording. It's clear in all the FAQ and about pages, but I guess we ran out of real estate where some of the text is shorter. Will get right on this.
        jacquesm 17y ago
        Dear modsearch, you guys have the right idea but the wrong way of implementing it. My advice would be really short and simple: stop. You can launch exactly once. It doesn't matter if you are feature complete. But it does matter if you're consistent. You are building an e-commerce site of sorts, so reputation is really your only real currency. The site right now is confusing. Fix it! Now. Don't promote it any further than it has gone already, repair those things, make it clear and consistent and then make your push. Also, you should probably yank all the dummy auctions (or at least the stuff that looks like a dummy auction) (a poorly drawn giraffe ? a floppy disk ?) because they degrade the profile of your site. I realize you guys are of good intentions but you are making a poor first impression. You only get one chance at a first impression.
  - rms 17y ago
    I got the HDTV for $80 and some crap that I gave away, which makes Listia my favorite YC startup ever.
andreyf 17y ago
Also, PG's old coat: http://www.listia.com/auction/198 http://www.listia.com/auction/198 Only 3 hours left!
- deleted 17y ago
  [deleted]
yan 17y ago
For those interested in the text itself, pg hosts a complete version online: http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisptext.html http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisptext.html
jamesfong 17y ago
I would be so on this if it didn't look shady for me to bid on my own site.
- jacquesm 17y ago
  Hi James, Well, if this is your site you are about to have an unsatisfied customer. I thought of helping your auction along a bit, so I signed up and made a $100 deposit in 'credits' on the off chance that I would be winning the bid. Only AFTER going through all that (10 minutes of form filling, credit card hunting and so on) and making my bid I'm being told that I'm already outbid, because the highest bid shown is not the highest bid. This sucks. If the bid shown is not the highest bid you should say so loud and clear before accepting payments or bids. Not afterwards, that's just plain scammy. Sorry for the harsh words, but that is my opinion about this. Now we'll get to see how well your return policy works. Not impressed. The refund option is somewhat hidden, care to point the way ? EDIT: REFUND RECEIVED. That's pretty good customer service, I'll give you that much.
  - modsearch 17y ago
    Hello, we implemented it this way since eBay is the most popular auction site out there and that's how they've always done it. However we do understand the confusion here. Do you think it's better to change the wording or simply move away from a proxy style auction? We hae been debating this internally as well but always deafult to eBay's functionality in these cases. You can use the contact form to request a refund. Just give us your username and it will be done right away. Thanks for the valuable feedback.
    - jacquesm 17y ago
      As to the changes in the wording, if you switch to a regular style 'highest price' listed I think you'll find yourself doing a lot less in refunds, and you won't need to change the wording. Right now the only wording that would be acceptable before signing up or at least before paying for credits should be: "Beware, the highest bid you have seen on the item that you are interested in may be an arbitrary amount over the bid displayed" and "Second highest bid" on the item page, or a big fat disclaimer that in spite of the two-stage payment process you are using a proxy bidding system, which means that the chance is very large that your bid will not be the winning bid after you place it, and that you'll just end up buying a bunch of credits, which you can only spend on 'poorly drawn giraffes' and other stuff of that nature. Or some way to test if your bid would be the highest bid before you commit to buying the credits (that would defeat some of the advantages of a proxy bid though, because it would allow people to figure out the real high bid). Also, it is good practice to make it as easy to do a refund as it is to sign up. I know ebay does proxy bidding, I've bought plenty of stuff on ebay, but I pay after winning the bid. My obligation to pay starts with the bid, but I'm not required to pay until winning the auction, my card is not charged until after the auction closes. The scenario to go through is the one where a new user of your system buys enough credits to pay for the item that he/she is interested in. Only to find after going through all that that the amount is not high enough and that you need to buy still more credits (but not how many) in order to place a successful bid. You can't really do that imho, it feels like you're being taken for a ride. That request for a refund should be in your inbox.
mlLK 17y ago
Is this the charity? http://www.pinestreetinn.org/ http://www.pinestreetinn.org/ How are you affiliated with this organization? I'm curious as to why you're even doing this, or how the idea even came into fruition. You are like the last person in my mind who would ever consider capitalizing on his/her status as a celebrity, but given it's for charity I guess how you doing it (donating to charity) doesn't really matter.
- pg 17y ago
  Yes. I'm not affiliated with them; they're a charity I donate to.
andreyf 17y ago
Some feedback here: http://www.listia.com/auction/2067 http://www.listia.com/auction/2067 Really crappy that I can't edit this. The title says 512MB chip (which it is), I pasted from the wrong notepad into the description which says 2gb (which its not). But I cant edit it, or delist or anything.. Sorry (2 days ago by suedehed)
lacker 17y ago
Things look really expensive on Listia, but just because the numbers are so high. I looked at that suit and thought "700! Jeez, who buys clothes that cost 700 bucks?" And then only later did I see, 1 point = 10 cents and your first 500 points are free, so really 700 points = $20. It's silly and psychological but I bet most of your users don't actually figure out what your "points" mean. Why not just make points equal to dollars.
fdesmet 17y ago
Am I misunderstanding something? I have to sign up, buy credits, and if I lose an auction, I then have to refund the unused credits? What a waste of time and effort. I'd rather bid in an accepted currency, not some web site's funny money. (Sad, too, because I'd really like to bid on the book, but can't be bothered with all the buy/refund hassle.)

30 points by modsearch 17y ago

Autographed, new condition, from the box PG got when the book was published. The book goes for over $200 without an autograph as its out of print and quite rare. Its being auctioned off for charity by YC-funded startup Listia. If you do buy credits to bid, but do not end up winning, we can refund your purchase in full. enjoy!

pg 17y ago
I think a lot of people may not realize how cheap this is. 700 credits is effectively $20, because you get 500 free credits for signing up, and additional credits only cost 10 cents.
- prakash 17y ago
  Did you wear that Armani coat on sales calls or to raise money?
  - jacquesm 17y ago
    how about a cashmere sweater ? http://www.listia.com/auction/208 http://www.listia.com/auction/208
    - slackenerny 17y ago
      Heh.. How about Dracula cape!? (I saw it in the previous announcement, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=743881 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=743881) Ed: Also PG could clarify what he scribbled on there.. http://c0139491.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/photos/231/large.JPG http://c0139491.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/photos/231... I deciphered only 8 first characters from the first line (Happy ha*); also, G in PG looks exactly like my handwritten &, which is lovely, but nobody will believe me I haven't forged that.
      - pg 17y ago
        Happy hacking!
  - pg 17y ago
    I think I did wear it when we were visiting galleries for Artix, the horrible startup we tried before Viaweb, because I found a couple Artix business cards in the pocket.
    - prakash 17y ago
      You should include those Business cards with the coat :-)
      - tdoggette 17y ago
        As the proud new owner of pg's old coat, I wouldn't say no to that.
- jacquesm 17y ago
  It is cheap, on ebay the unsigned version goes for $85. (I checked ;) ).
- mattyb 17y ago
  I want this, but when I signed up I only got 100 credits. I sent them an email.
  - jacquesm 17y ago
    To get more credits you're supposed to list stuff and use the site (on the premise that you will use it more in the future if you've used it once before). But don't bother, see above.
  - pg 17y ago
    That sounds like a bug.
    - shawndrost 17y ago
      If so, it's an unfortunate one, because it looks identical to a common bait-and-switch. The pre-signup copy reads "Get 500 free credits \n Earn more by referring friends, listing auctions, or buying them ($0.10 each)" After signup, you have 100 credits, and the site copy reads something like "list something to get the rest of your 500 credits". Get on this, guys.
    - modsearch 17y ago
      sorry about the wording. It's clear in all the FAQ and about pages, but I guess we ran out of real estate where some of the text is shorter. Will get right on this.
      - jacquesm 17y ago
        Dear modsearch, you guys have the right idea but the wrong way of implementing it. My advice would be really short and simple: stop. You can launch exactly once. It doesn't matter if you are feature complete. But it does matter if you're consistent. You are building an e-commerce site of sorts, so reputation is really your only real currency. The site right now is confusing. Fix it! Now. Don't promote it any further than it has gone already, repair those things, make it clear and consistent and then make your push. Also, you should probably yank all the dummy auctions (or at least the stuff that looks like a dummy auction) (a poorly drawn giraffe ? a floppy disk ?) because they degrade the profile of your site. I realize you guys are of good intentions but you are making a poor first impression. You only get one chance at a first impression.
- rms 17y ago
  I got the HDTV for $80 and some crap that I gave away, which makes Listia my favorite YC startup ever.

andreyf 17y ago

Also, PG's old coat: http://www.listia.com/auction/198 http://www.listia.com/auction/198 Only 3 hours left!

deleted 17y ago
[deleted]

yan 17y ago

For those interested in the text itself, pg hosts a complete version online: http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisptext.html http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisptext.html

jamesfong 17y ago

I would be so on this if it didn't look shady for me to bid on my own site.

jacquesm 17y ago
Hi James, Well, if this is your site you are about to have an unsatisfied customer. I thought of helping your auction along a bit, so I signed up and made a $100 deposit in 'credits' on the off chance that I would be winning the bid. Only AFTER going through all that (10 minutes of form filling, credit card hunting and so on) and making my bid I'm being told that I'm already outbid, because the highest bid shown is not the highest bid. This sucks. If the bid shown is not the highest bid you should say so loud and clear before accepting payments or bids. Not afterwards, that's just plain scammy. Sorry for the harsh words, but that is my opinion about this. Now we'll get to see how well your return policy works. Not impressed. The refund option is somewhat hidden, care to point the way ? EDIT: REFUND RECEIVED. That's pretty good customer service, I'll give you that much.
- modsearch 17y ago
  Hello, we implemented it this way since eBay is the most popular auction site out there and that's how they've always done it. However we do understand the confusion here. Do you think it's better to change the wording or simply move away from a proxy style auction? We hae been debating this internally as well but always deafult to eBay's functionality in these cases. You can use the contact form to request a refund. Just give us your username and it will be done right away. Thanks for the valuable feedback.
  - jacquesm 17y ago
    As to the changes in the wording, if you switch to a regular style 'highest price' listed I think you'll find yourself doing a lot less in refunds, and you won't need to change the wording. Right now the only wording that would be acceptable before signing up or at least before paying for credits should be: "Beware, the highest bid you have seen on the item that you are interested in may be an arbitrary amount over the bid displayed" and "Second highest bid" on the item page, or a big fat disclaimer that in spite of the two-stage payment process you are using a proxy bidding system, which means that the chance is very large that your bid will not be the winning bid after you place it, and that you'll just end up buying a bunch of credits, which you can only spend on 'poorly drawn giraffes' and other stuff of that nature. Or some way to test if your bid would be the highest bid before you commit to buying the credits (that would defeat some of the advantages of a proxy bid though, because it would allow people to figure out the real high bid). Also, it is good practice to make it as easy to do a refund as it is to sign up. I know ebay does proxy bidding, I've bought plenty of stuff on ebay, but I pay after winning the bid. My obligation to pay starts with the bid, but I'm not required to pay until winning the auction, my card is not charged until after the auction closes. The scenario to go through is the one where a new user of your system buys enough credits to pay for the item that he/she is interested in. Only to find after going through all that that the amount is not high enough and that you need to buy still more credits (but not how many) in order to place a successful bid. You can't really do that imho, it feels like you're being taken for a ride. That request for a refund should be in your inbox.

mlLK 17y ago

Is this the charity? http://www.pinestreetinn.org/ http://www.pinestreetinn.org/ How are you affiliated with this organization? I'm curious as to why you're even doing this, or how the idea even came into fruition. You are like the last person in my mind who would ever consider capitalizing on his/her status as a celebrity, but given it's for charity I guess how you doing it (donating to charity) doesn't really matter.

pg 17y ago
Yes. I'm not affiliated with them; they're a charity I donate to.

andreyf 17y ago

Some feedback here: http://www.listia.com/auction/2067 http://www.listia.com/auction/2067 Really crappy that I can't edit this. The title says 512MB chip (which it is), I pasted from the wrong notepad into the description which says 2gb (which its not). But I cant edit it, or delist or anything.. Sorry (2 days ago by suedehed)

lacker 17y ago

Things look really expensive on Listia, but just because the numbers are so high. I looked at that suit and thought "700! Jeez, who buys clothes that cost 700 bucks?" And then only later did I see, 1 point = 10 cents and your first 500 points are free, so really 700 points = $20. It's silly and psychological but I bet most of your users don't actually figure out what your "points" mean. Why not just make points equal to dollars.

fdesmet 17y ago

Am I misunderstanding something? I have to sign up, buy credits, and if I lose an auction, I then have to refund the unused credits? What a waste of time and effort. I'd rather bid in an accepted currency, not some web site's funny money. (Sad, too, because I'd really like to bid on the book, but can't be bothered with all the buy/refund hassle.)