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I was just recently trying to decide between "new" Spring MVC, Dropwizard, and Play. Spring now has a bunch of slick-looking guides and tutorials. But then I l

by turar 12y ago

I was just recently trying to decide between "new" Spring MVC, Dropwizard, and Play. Spring now has a bunch of slick-looking guides and tutorials. But then I looked at the actual contents of their tutorial project, and it just turned me off. For an "example" REST project, they had over 50 classes not including tests: https://github.com/spring-guides/tut-rest/tree/master/6/complete https://github.com/spring-guides/tut-rest/tree/master/6/comp... , with many being "event" classes of some sort. I mean, WTF, is this really the "idiomatic" way to build Spring REST/MVC projects nowadays? I'm trying Dropwizard for now.

Omnipresent 12y ago
I'm using Dropwizard for the same reason. It is dead simple and gets me going out of the box. You should also give Grails a try if you plan on having a view layer
- turar 12y ago
  Dropwizard seems to have a view layer of its own that you can bolt on as well.
  - umut 12y ago
    Yes it is just a binding between Jersey and templating engines (they maintain two of them: mustache.java and freemarker. I strongly recommend freemarker, since it is more complete in UI related transformations. This way it lets your Model layer to stay clean. But if you need something exotic, you can bind to your templating engine of choice easily)
mahmud 12y ago
Been there done that. 3.5 years of Play 1, but they decided to rewrite it in Scala and I left in anger. Nearly one year now of servlet dev, trying nearly anything I can get my hands on. Most I have been satisfied with is Restlet for service development, otherwise nothing even comes close to Play 1. Finally decided to harden up and learn Scala. I have set my prejudices aside and after a month, I can safely say I am a _write_only_ Scala developer. I still can't read much of the fancy code in the wild, but for my immediate needs, gluing java libraries together, it's a far superior language to Java. My opinionated guide to developing modern Java is: get TypeSafe Activator and learn Scala.
- turar 12y ago
  I actually started learning Scala: completed Odersky's Coursera class and developed a Play 2 project in Scala. Overall I like it, but reading others' code is often frustrating, shorthand shortcuts in language are still kinda alien looking, and even figuring how to handle simple things like multi-file upload with Play's controllers, I feel I don't quite understand what the hell is going on underneath all that magical functional code that I myself wrote by assembling bits and pieces from elsewhere. And then I watch stuff like Paul Phillips presentations [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jh94gowim0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jh94gowim0] and I just don't know whether continuing to invest my time in Scala is a wise decision long-term. I'll probably try Clojure at some point, but for production-grade projects I will do Java for now. I feel the most frustrating thing about tech is having to place bets constantly on what to invest your time learning. It's eerily similar to investing in stocks. You never know what's going to live or die. And I'm saying this as a former Delphi developer with multi-year experience. :)
- weego 12y ago
  I started Scala from cold as it were without having ever done Java. I found myself having to read Scala code (source for things like Lift) 'backwards' to understand it. I read the body of functions from top to bottom but lines from right to left as maps/flatmaps make much more sense to me when picked apart that way. Maybe this is common/standard, not sure.
nl 12y ago
Dropwizard is very nice. Can't comment on Play.
tkubacki 12y ago
I'm using Dropwizard and it was easy enough for me - former .NET developer to get things done quickly. That said if I was starting today long term project I would go with Dartlang (yes they'are server side as well)
mschulze 12y ago
No, that example just covers more features, I guess typically you won't need events. For a really quick start I would recommend https://github.com/spring-guides/gs-spring-boot/tree/master/complete https://github.com/spring-guides/gs-spring-boot/tree/master/.... 2 classes and you don't even need an external servlet container.

by turar 12y ago

Omnipresent 12y ago

I'm using Dropwizard for the same reason. It is dead simple and gets me going out of the box. You should also give Grails a try if you plan on having a view layer

turar 12y ago
Dropwizard seems to have a view layer of its own that you can bolt on as well.
- umut 12y ago
  Yes it is just a binding between Jersey and templating engines (they maintain two of them: mustache.java and freemarker. I strongly recommend freemarker, since it is more complete in UI related transformations. This way it lets your Model layer to stay clean. But if you need something exotic, you can bind to your templating engine of choice easily)

mahmud 12y ago

Been there done that. 3.5 years of Play 1, but they decided to rewrite it in Scala and I left in anger. Nearly one year now of servlet dev, trying nearly anything I can get my hands on. Most I have been satisfied with is Restlet for service development, otherwise nothing even comes close to Play 1. Finally decided to harden up and learn Scala. I have set my prejudices aside and after a month, I can safely say I am a _write_only_ Scala developer. I still can't read much of the fancy code in the wild, but for my immediate needs, gluing java libraries together, it's a far superior language to Java. My opinionated guide to developing modern Java is: get TypeSafe Activator and learn Scala.

turar 12y ago
I actually started learning Scala: completed Odersky's Coursera class and developed a Play 2 project in Scala. Overall I like it, but reading others' code is often frustrating, shorthand shortcuts in language are still kinda alien looking, and even figuring how to handle simple things like multi-file upload with Play's controllers, I feel I don't quite understand what the hell is going on underneath all that magical functional code that I myself wrote by assembling bits and pieces from elsewhere. And then I watch stuff like Paul Phillips presentations [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jh94gowim0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jh94gowim0] and I just don't know whether continuing to invest my time in Scala is a wise decision long-term. I'll probably try Clojure at some point, but for production-grade projects I will do Java for now. I feel the most frustrating thing about tech is having to place bets constantly on what to invest your time learning. It's eerily similar to investing in stocks. You never know what's going to live or die. And I'm saying this as a former Delphi developer with multi-year experience. :)
weego 12y ago
I started Scala from cold as it were without having ever done Java. I found myself having to read Scala code (source for things like Lift) 'backwards' to understand it. I read the body of functions from top to bottom but lines from right to left as maps/flatmaps make much more sense to me when picked apart that way. Maybe this is common/standard, not sure.

nl 12y ago

Dropwizard is very nice. Can't comment on Play.

tkubacki 12y ago

I'm using Dropwizard and it was easy enough for me - former .NET developer to get things done quickly. That said if I was starting today long term project I would go with Dartlang (yes they'are server side as well)

mschulze 12y ago

No, that example just covers more features, I guess typically you won't need events. For a really quick start I would recommend https://github.com/spring-guides/gs-spring-boot/tree/master/complete https://github.com/spring-guides/gs-spring-boot/tree/master/.... 2 classes and you don't even need an external servlet container.