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Also gramma is gonna be sad when I give her a URL and she won't know where it goes. It is not clear if they are dumbing the web down for users or just to get p

Also gramma is gonna be sad when I give her a URL and she won't know where it goes. It is not clear if they are dumbing the web down for users or just to get people onto Google search.

bagels 13y ago
There's already a usability problem with the address bar: Many people use it to search google instead of entering urls.
- saraid216 13y ago
  I've never understood the claim that the omnibar was a usability problem. It's really only a problem if you have an ideological issue with preferring to search Google... which isn't a usability issue.
  - bagels 13y ago
    It is confusing because there are these other things (urls) you could put in to the address bar that cause something different to happen from searching google.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    Not so much a usability problem but a climate change nightmare. All of those people entering partial URLs in the omnibox, causing a Google search, releasing CO2 is terrible when they could be using local bookmarks.
    - insky 13y ago
      Good point. I wondered why this didn't happen under my Chrome, but I have a different search engine and have unchecked the box under Settings->Advanced->Privacy. I'm not sure what gets sent with regards to spelling helpers? That could almost be like a keylogger? I wonder how it works. I've turned that off also.
- busterarm 13y ago
  Yeah but at least if you can get them to that bar or at least "Open Location" you can semi-predictably get them to a website where you can get the problem solved or narrowed down. Once you obscure URLs, web browsers become _impossible to support_. Of course Google doesn't care, because support isn't part of their lexicon.
  - ajanuary 13y ago
    You can still type URLs into the bar. It's easier to direct them to it because it always has the same prompt text. "Do you see a box that says 'Search Google or type URL?'? Great, type this into it..." The thing that's harder is getting them to read the url back to you.
    - busterarm 13y ago
      That's my point. You can't get them to verify where they're at, because you tell them to go to X and they can't confirm they're at X. Unsupportable.
ajanuary 13y ago
She'll put it in the bit that says "Search Google or type URL". It is in fact clearer now, because instead of having an old url in there, it can have a consistent prompt of "URL goes here". If she doesn't know what a URL is, it's now easier to describe the input box to her.
Kiro 13y ago
Many people don't know where to put the URL anyway. They type it on Google. You would be surprised how many search queries start with "http".

Also gramma is gonna be sad when I give her a URL and she won't know where it goes. It is not clear if they are dumbing the web down for users or just to get people onto Google search.

bagels 13y ago

There's already a usability problem with the address bar: Many people use it to search google instead of entering urls.

saraid216 13y ago
I've never understood the claim that the omnibar was a usability problem. It's really only a problem if you have an ideological issue with preferring to search Google... which isn't a usability issue.
- bagels 13y ago
  It is confusing because there are these other things (urls) you could put in to the address bar that cause something different to happen from searching google.
- DanBC 13y ago
  Not so much a usability problem but a climate change nightmare. All of those people entering partial URLs in the omnibox, causing a Google search, releasing CO2 is terrible when they could be using local bookmarks.
  - insky 13y ago
    Good point. I wondered why this didn't happen under my Chrome, but I have a different search engine and have unchecked the box under Settings->Advanced->Privacy. I'm not sure what gets sent with regards to spelling helpers? That could almost be like a keylogger? I wonder how it works. I've turned that off also.
busterarm 13y ago
Yeah but at least if you can get them to that bar or at least "Open Location" you can semi-predictably get them to a website where you can get the problem solved or narrowed down. Once you obscure URLs, web browsers become _impossible to support_. Of course Google doesn't care, because support isn't part of their lexicon.
- ajanuary 13y ago
  You can still type URLs into the bar. It's easier to direct them to it because it always has the same prompt text. "Do you see a box that says 'Search Google or type URL?'? Great, type this into it..." The thing that's harder is getting them to read the url back to you.
  - busterarm 13y ago
    That's my point. You can't get them to verify where they're at, because you tell them to go to X and they can't confirm they're at X. Unsupportable.

ajanuary 13y ago

She'll put it in the bit that says "Search Google or type URL". It is in fact clearer now, because instead of having an old url in there, it can have a consistent prompt of "URL goes here". If she doesn't know what a URL is, it's now easier to describe the input box to her.

Kiro 13y ago

Many people don't know where to put the URL anyway. They type it on Google. You would be surprised how many search queries start with "http".