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Really? Docker just seems like the age old jail idea + marketing money and tools. What's so futuristic about it? Literally nothing it does is novel.

by duaneb 13y ago

wmf 13y ago
I guess the novel part is that it's actually being used.
nickstinemates 13y ago
Can I have some of this marketing money you're referring to? edit: But more seriously, not to feed the troll or anything, but, the 'Sun has been doing this with zones for years! it proved all of this shit long ago!' is a little tired. If you'd like to go deep on why people are interested and why this is catching on, let's have a chat. nick@docker.com.
- julien421 13y ago
  Hey Nick, you can have all of it :)
mixmastamyk 13y ago
Creative Labs Nomad ---> iPod Lame, eh?
julien421 13y ago
Hey duaneb, I'm running marketing for Docker since the begining of the project. I have a budget close to 0 (apart for pizzas and beer for Docker meetups in the Bay area :) That being said in re difference between Docker and LXC/Jails/Zones * Docker is a whole platform, that makes containers easy to use and portable. * We’ve added security, versioning etc... * Our platform has an index of images, where they can be shared and downloaded. * In addition to the index we offer image management functionality: creation, changes, storing, sharing, updating, etc of images...that at runtime, run inside containers Hope this helps
- SnakeDoc 13y ago
  @julien421 I'll "buy into " docker when: * I can create my own docker binary from scratch without needing to use a black-box magic binary provided by the docker project. * When I can create my own base images from scratch (using detailed instructions of how and why, not just some pre-made script in the docker repo with no explanation). * When I can maintain my images off of the docker repository, ie. my own server becomes my repo for my images. * Docker is not "enterprise ready" just because the project declares it to be and adds a 1.0 version marker... it will take years of solid versions, low security problems, and high stability before it can be accepted into enterprise as more than a pet project. * Docker is just an abstraction layer over-top of LXC - and therefore will not become the "standard" since anyone can implement their own abstraction layer and compete, and they will. (look at the Xen project and the KVM project -- there are a great many 3rd party user tools, management tools, abstraction layers, scripts, etc. The same will become of LXC and docker will become just one of the options). * The half-baked git syntax is just annoying. Sometimes docker commands are like using git, other times they are like using a package manager. Stick with one work-flow please.

Really? Docker just seems like the age old jail idea + marketing money and tools. What's so futuristic about it? Literally nothing it does is novel.

by duaneb 13y ago

Really? Docker just seems like the age old jail idea + marketing money and tools. What's so futuristic about it? Literally nothing it does is novel.

wmf 13y ago

I guess the novel part is that it's actually being used.

nickstinemates 13y ago

Can I have some of this marketing money you're referring to? edit: But more seriously, not to feed the troll or anything, but, the 'Sun has been doing this with zones for years! it proved all of this shit long ago!' is a little tired. If you'd like to go deep on why people are interested and why this is catching on, let's have a chat. nick@docker.com.

julien421 13y ago
Hey Nick, you can have all of it :)

mixmastamyk 13y ago

Creative Labs Nomad ---> iPod Lame, eh?

julien421 13y ago

Hey duaneb, I'm running marketing for Docker since the begining of the project. I have a budget close to 0 (apart for pizzas and beer for Docker meetups in the Bay area :) That being said in re difference between Docker and LXC/Jails/Zones * Docker is a whole platform, that makes containers easy to use and portable. * We’ve added security, versioning etc... * Our platform has an index of images, where they can be shared and downloaded. * In addition to the index we offer image management functionality: creation, changes, storing, sharing, updating, etc of images...that at runtime, run inside containers Hope this helps

SnakeDoc 13y ago
@julien421 I'll "buy into " docker when: * I can create my own docker binary from scratch without needing to use a black-box magic binary provided by the docker project. * When I can create my own base images from scratch (using detailed instructions of how and why, not just some pre-made script in the docker repo with no explanation). * When I can maintain my images off of the docker repository, ie. my own server becomes my repo for my images. * Docker is not "enterprise ready" just because the project declares it to be and adds a 1.0 version marker... it will take years of solid versions, low security problems, and high stability before it can be accepted into enterprise as more than a pet project. * Docker is just an abstraction layer over-top of LXC - and therefore will not become the "standard" since anyone can implement their own abstraction layer and compete, and they will. (look at the Xen project and the KVM project -- there are a great many 3rd party user tools, management tools, abstraction layers, scripts, etc. The same will become of LXC and docker will become just one of the options). * The half-baked git syntax is just annoying. Sometimes docker commands are like using git, other times they are like using a package manager. Stick with one work-flow please.