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This banter is really getting old and hogging a lot of space. If you don't like TDD, don't do it. If your employer or organization forces you to do it, leave.

This banter is really getting old and hogging a lot of space. If you don't like TDD, don't do it. If your employer or organization forces you to do it, leave. If you do like it and think it matters, do it. It's really that simple.

sergiotapia 12y ago
I'm flagging the TDD he-said-she-said banter submissions. I'm not sure if this is kosher or not, but they feel a little trite no?
- steveklabnik 12y ago
  You can flag whatever you'd like, but > If you flag something, please don't also comment that you did. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - gbaygon 12y ago
    > You can flag whatever you'd like, but No, you can't. If you flag articles just because you are tired to see some topic in the front page your flagging habilities will be removed (happened to me).
    - steveklabnik 12y ago
      I just said you could, I didn't say it was a good idea.
      - gbaygon 12y ago
        fair enough
    - sergiotapia 12y ago
      I didn't know that, I just unflagged the submission.
- krschultz 12y ago
  It actually feels like a bunch of experts in our field having an intellectual debate about an important aspect of the profession in public. If that's not relevant, I don't know what is.
bdcravens 12y ago
Yes, this discussion of industry approaches to our craft is taking up room for far more important things, like the discussion of real estate prices in San Francisco.
matthewmacleod 12y ago
It's really that simple. That's stupid. It's an interesting discussion about software best-practices. A bunch of well-respected people are writing about what they do, what they see as the upsides and downsides of both approaches, and arguing for why their approach is best. This is content which is appropriate to the audience, reasonably interesting, and technically useful.
codereflection 12y ago
While it make look to be that simple, the greater benefit of having these discussions out in the open amongst the various developer communities should not be overlooked. There are a lot of developers out there that will take what DHH says for "the golden rule" without critically thinking about the content of his assertions. (Of course this is true for a lot of vocal developers, including Gary). When we have folks like Uncle Bob and Gary Bernhardt challenging those assertions, all of us can benefit. And for those people who are not used to, or don't have the experience in the community of speaking up and challenging ideas, they can learn that it's not OK just to take someone's opinion on software development as the truth. If you don't like the conversations, ignore them and read something else.

sergiotapia 12y ago

I'm flagging the TDD he-said-she-said banter submissions. I'm not sure if this is kosher or not, but they feel a little trite no?

steveklabnik 12y ago
You can flag whatever you'd like, but > If you flag something, please don't also comment that you did. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- gbaygon 12y ago
  > You can flag whatever you'd like, but No, you can't. If you flag articles just because you are tired to see some topic in the front page your flagging habilities will be removed (happened to me).
  - steveklabnik 12y ago
    I just said you could, I didn't say it was a good idea.
    - gbaygon 12y ago
      fair enough
  - sergiotapia 12y ago
    I didn't know that, I just unflagged the submission.
krschultz 12y ago
It actually feels like a bunch of experts in our field having an intellectual debate about an important aspect of the profession in public. If that's not relevant, I don't know what is.

bdcravens 12y ago

Yes, this discussion of industry approaches to our craft is taking up room for far more important things, like the discussion of real estate prices in San Francisco.

matthewmacleod 12y ago

It's really that simple. That's stupid. It's an interesting discussion about software best-practices. A bunch of well-respected people are writing about what they do, what they see as the upsides and downsides of both approaches, and arguing for why their approach is best. This is content which is appropriate to the audience, reasonably interesting, and technically useful.

codereflection 12y ago

While it make look to be that simple, the greater benefit of having these discussions out in the open amongst the various developer communities should not be overlooked. There are a lot of developers out there that will take what DHH says for "the golden rule" without critically thinking about the content of his assertions. (Of course this is true for a lot of vocal developers, including Gary). When we have folks like Uncle Bob and Gary Bernhardt challenging those assertions, all of us can benefit. And for those people who are not used to, or don't have the experience in the community of speaking up and challenging ideas, they can learn that it's not OK just to take someone's opinion on software development as the truth. If you don't like the conversations, ignore them and read something else.