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Hi, We will get these sorted. I was surprised that this got picked up so early as we were just starting to canvas feedback from developers, so it still a work

by kinlan 12y ago

Hi, We will get these sorted. I was surprised that this got picked up so early as we were just starting to canvas feedback from developers, so it still a work in progress. Multi-screen/Multi-device was the term we chose because mobile-first is a very very loaded and our goal is to target mobile as a base but ensure everyone builds up from that experience. But you are correct, it needs to be introduced. [Edit] - adding bugs https://github.com/google/WebFundamentals/issues/17 https://github.com/google/WebFundamentals/issues/17 https://github.com/google/WebFundamentals/issues/18 https://github.com/google/WebFundamentals/issues/18

graycat 12y ago
The medicine I am giving you may taste bitter, but a result should be some much better technical writing. So far, 'multi-screen' is just jargon of an in-group, really 'in' because it wasn't clear to me, and my background in computing is plenty deep. You still just don't 'get it': E.g., that 'mobile', smartphones, wrist watches, glasses, or tablets are the main issue just was not at all clear to an 'outsider. "Multi-screen', no matter how common and comfortable you and your colleagues are with the term, just is not, Not, NOT clear. Here is an example: Do you mean a workstation with four screens? Is that what you are talking about, that is, software from one Web site that makes separate use of each of the four screens? How the heck to know? Or maybe you meant essentially multiple windows, treated separately, from one Web site on one physical screen? How the heck to know? Or, essentially every Web site now is 'multi-screen' in that it works if the resolution on a screen is 640 x 480, ..., 3000 x 4096 and lots of other screen resolutions and physical screen sizes. Also each Web site is 'multi-screen' in the sense that 500 people, each in a different location, can be viewing Web pages from the site all at the same time, that is, the site is serving 500 screens. Instead, apparently by 'multi-screen' you mean the different screens 'types' on end user devices from workstations, desktops, laptops, and tablets down to smart phones and maybe wrist watches and glasses. But if each of these devices has a standard Web browser, then what is the significant difference? Maybe the difference is swipes versus clicks or some such, in which case 'screen' is not really the point. The issue is being clear when using words with meanings that are not in a standard dictionary. Such a word is a 'term' and, thus, needs at least a definition and likely also motivation, explanation, and examples. Else are on the way to jargon and gibberish. Such bad writing is endemic in practical computing and a big, huge, problem for the field. Even computer science very much needs to 'up its game' to catch up with physics and especially mathematics. Apparently my little lesson in good technical writing 101 rubbed some feathers the wrong way, but the lesson stands -- good definitions are crucial, and 'multi-screen' screams out for a good definition. It still is not clear, without a lot of guessing, just what is the significance of any definition of 'multi-screen' for building a Web site. That is, the Web site mostly shouldn't care. E.g., I'm building a Web site, and the pages look fine, and there is no logic at all in either the server or what is sent to the client on what the heck the screen size is. My solution: Each Web page is exactly 800 pixels wide. Period. If the actual window used on the client device is less than 800 pixels wide, then the client device is welcome to add horizontal scroll bars. For JavaScript, I have tried hard not to write any and so far have been successful although some of Microsoft's software writes some JavaScript for me. So, in particular, for my Web site, I still can't find a meaning of 'multi-screen' that is useful. I'm talking about good definitions and clear communications.
- BasDirks 12y ago
  So many words, so little sense.
  - graycat 12y ago
    Calm down and read it, actually read it, see the problem, which is HUGE, and begin to see the importance of the problem and the need for a good solution which is just a short lesson in Technical Writing 101. My first post was short, but apparently was too short for everyone to 'get it'. Apparently some people actually like in-group jargon and gibberish.
    - kinlan 12y ago
      I got it, we will sort out the nomenclature

by kinlan 12y ago

graycat 12y ago

The medicine I am giving you may taste bitter, but a result should be some much better technical writing. So far, 'multi-screen' is just jargon of an in-group, really 'in' because it wasn't clear to me, and my background in computing is plenty deep. You still just don't 'get it': E.g., that 'mobile', smartphones, wrist watches, glasses, or tablets are the main issue just was not at all clear to an 'outsider. "Multi-screen', no matter how common and comfortable you and your colleagues are with the term, just is not, Not, NOT clear. Here is an example: Do you mean a workstation with four screens? Is that what you are talking about, that is, software from one Web site that makes separate use of each of the four screens? How the heck to know? Or maybe you meant essentially multiple windows, treated separately, from one Web site on one physical screen? How the heck to know? Or, essentially every Web site now is 'multi-screen' in that it works if the resolution on a screen is 640 x 480, ..., 3000 x 4096 and lots of other screen resolutions and physical screen sizes. Also each Web site is 'multi-screen' in the sense that 500 people, each in a different location, can be viewing Web pages from the site all at the same time, that is, the site is serving 500 screens. Instead, apparently by 'multi-screen' you mean the different screens 'types' on end user devices from workstations, desktops, laptops, and tablets down to smart phones and maybe wrist watches and glasses. But if each of these devices has a standard Web browser, then what is the significant difference? Maybe the difference is swipes versus clicks or some such, in which case 'screen' is not really the point. The issue is being clear when using words with meanings that are not in a standard dictionary. Such a word is a 'term' and, thus, needs at least a definition and likely also motivation, explanation, and examples. Else are on the way to jargon and gibberish. Such bad writing is endemic in practical computing and a big, huge, problem for the field. Even computer science very much needs to 'up its game' to catch up with physics and especially mathematics. Apparently my little lesson in good technical writing 101 rubbed some feathers the wrong way, but the lesson stands -- good definitions are crucial, and 'multi-screen' screams out for a good definition. It still is not clear, without a lot of guessing, just what is the significance of any definition of 'multi-screen' for building a Web site. That is, the Web site mostly shouldn't care. E.g., I'm building a Web site, and the pages look fine, and there is no logic at all in either the server or what is sent to the client on what the heck the screen size is. My solution: Each Web page is exactly 800 pixels wide. Period. If the actual window used on the client device is less than 800 pixels wide, then the client device is welcome to add horizontal scroll bars. For JavaScript, I have tried hard not to write any and so far have been successful although some of Microsoft's software writes some JavaScript for me. So, in particular, for my Web site, I still can't find a meaning of 'multi-screen' that is useful. I'm talking about good definitions and clear communications.

BasDirks 12y ago
So many words, so little sense.
- graycat 12y ago
  Calm down and read it, actually read it, see the problem, which is HUGE, and begin to see the importance of the problem and the need for a good solution which is just a short lesson in Technical Writing 101. My first post was short, but apparently was too short for everyone to 'get it'. Apparently some people actually like in-group jargon and gibberish.
  - kinlan 12y ago
    I got it, we will sort out the nomenclature