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>This doesn’t mean bitcoin is doomed. It just means that for it to succeed, we’ll need significant external buy pressure. As I wrote awhile ago, I think the k
by logicallee 13y ago
>This doesn’t mean bitcoin is doomed. It just means that for it to succeed, we’ll need significant external buy pressure. As I wrote awhile ago, I think the key thing we need for this is people actually using bitcoin for transactions instead of speculation (and merchants willing to hold bitcoin balances). [3] Unfortunately, transaction volume still appears to be trending down.
Let's look at this. Yes, one easy way in which bitcoin can "succeed" is by becoming a worldwide currency in actual use. In fact, this is probably a design objective.
However, its extremely limited supply dooms it from the start in this endeavor.
We can reason about this by counterexample (reductio ad absurdum). First, let's take for a given that within ten years bitcoin will have a role in the world money supply similar to gold (cap of $7.2 trillion on all gold ever mined) or the M2 money supply of USD. (http://money.howstuffworks.com/how-much-money-is-in-the-world.htm http://money.howstuffworks.com/how-much-money-is-in-the-worl...)
This doesn't count other currencies and is not "most" of the world money supply.
There is a limit on the number of bitcoins that can ever be mined, at 21 million. (More than half have been mined, so let's use that upper limit - you may want to multiply by two to account for the current supply instead). If were to divide $7 trillion by 21 million we would get a bit over $330,000 per bitcoin.
Since we started with the assumption that bitcoin would become a world currency or money supply, and the bitcoin protocol limits supply to 21 million ever, we are forced to continue our argument with a target price of $330K/bitcoin over 10 years.
This does, however, pose a problem.
We started with the assumption that bitcoin succeeds as a currency.
That means people have to get their hands on it and use it.
But if we go from today's price ($445) to our logically mandated target price ($330K) in ten years, that means the value of bitcoins increases by a factor of 741 (330 000/445) over 10 years, i.e. a compound average of 94% per year. (1.94^10 = 741).
Do we have a contradiction yet? I think we do.
--> Is it possible for the price of bitcoin to rise an average of 94% per year, for ten years, while:
--> it is also being adopted as a world currency?
I believe the answer is "no". Let's look at some of the behavior that's necessary in order for it to count as a "world currency":
1. Borrowing BTC for productive purposes.
One of the major reasons, if not the major reason that USD is a currency of business and gold is not, is that you can borrow USD for productive purposes. Indeed, this can happen directly by increasing the money supply centrally in a way that gets to people for loan purposes, but also happens implicitly due to systemic inflation. Inflation mandates that some USD will always be lent. This is because inflation is a hidden taxes on keeping USD qua USD. If you come to possess $1M in cash, you would be insane to keep it as cash for 20 years. Inflation would just eat a large chunk of it. Not so with currencies that do not experience inflation.
2. This deflation is toxic to using bitcoins by people who have them.
If bitcoins are going to increase in value by 91% if you keep them for a year, then if you possess bitcoins, you would be crazy to spend them on anything that does not produce a 91% return for you within a shorter time period. This is going to seriously hinder spending, and adoption. Certainly, some people may be "forced" to sell some of their bitcoins. But that is not the way in which a currency succeeds. By people preferring not to spend it, but having to do so in some extraordinary cases.
3. Fees on exchanges may be higher. If btc has a high price, and is considered an investment, you may be leery of buying some from somebody (which may cost you percentages) to buy goods that are not actually denominated in BTC. The volatility may also put you off.
In this sense bitcoin would behave more like Picassos than like USD or any other world currency. People are just going to hang on to it.
4. So what if people need money? Wouldn't they still just get some BTC at the current spot price?
The thing is, if most people are hoarding BTC with very little spending of it, when it can be at all avoided, there will NOT be a price set by deep markets of goods and services. There is no "floor" on the price. That is dangerous for bitcoin. It is still possible to buy and transfer "just in time" to be sold back into fiat by the merchant.
But people are not going to print menus, catalogues, ads, or other more than transient pegs to price, just as nobody prints prices in ounces of gold.
You will therefore have a case in which there is no built-in usage or acceptance of bitcoins, denomination in bitcoins of goods and services, or large transactions such as investments being built against bitcoin. Since nobody uses bitcoins as an actual currency, there is no floor to its adoption. Essentially actual users of the currency are priced out of it. This is contrary to our initial assumpion!
You may say - well, so what if it is hard to get. People will still get it at a spot price, to pay for goods, even if nothing is denominated in BTC.
But then we must ask - well, why in BTC then? Why not another alt currency? If only the spot price matters...
So any POSSIBLE floor on the price will drop out, since btc does not have a unique position. Will it take on a role that Gold has over thousands of years - that people recognize its value implicitly, even after it has long since not been used as currency, and there is no obvious substitute (like silver and platinum)?
Well, here's the thing. Gold has several unique properties that most other precious metals don't have. It's easy to essay, very dense, can be recognized and verified, and has a long history of acceptance all over the world. Bitcoin does not have a long history of acceptance all over the world, the software can break, but, if the software is not broken, if its verifiability is in tact - THEN IT IS NOT UNIQUE IN THIS REGARD!
Indeed, anyone can use litecoins, doegecoins, or other currency. As bitcoin becomes too valuable to spend (unless you can get a 91% return), it would simply make sense to use the spot price of another currency to trade with instead.
So by the very fact that its properties are not totally unique, it does not have actual usage as a unit of account, it is failing in its bid to become the default online currency.
At best, it can end up like gold compared to USD, and fail to be an online currency. At worst, it can tank.
So while it is certainly possible for BTC to maintain their value - as a currency it can never reach much use. Moreover there is a large risk that the speculation will cease - i.e. that the hoarding behavior was a "bubble". Look at the volumes of litecoin and dogecoin versus BTC. This may easily happen.
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I believe that an online currency could be created that is more like USD than like Gold.
Here is how the USD has been treated since 1913:
"The U.S. Congress established three key objectives for monetary policy in the Federal Reserve Act: Maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates"."
Today, bitcoin fails at all three. (It will not create employment from people spending it to whom it is lent; the price of goods denominated in BTC is extremely unstable; and it would have extremely high interest rates.)
I believe that there is a way to do far more in a digital currency. But BTC is not it.
It simply, logically, cannot succeed as a currency or world money supply. Its behavior as an investment is also completely uncertain - nothing makes it unique versus other alt currencies, not the technology, not acceptance, and its price fights against real adoption.
This sets up a dangerous tulip-like situation. I personally would not invest in BTC holdings, nor do I think it is a good candidate for Internet money.
- VLM 13y agoWhere does the base assumption that it has to take over in a decade come from? If you give it a century then its starting to look much less inflationary than holding USD. You could play a spreadsheet game of finding a length of time to take over such that its always just a little more stable, just a little stronger, than the USD. Finally another base assumption is that "being a major player" is the only success condition. Would it be an utter failure if instead of becoming as big as the USA economy it never became larger than the Australian economy? Australia isn't all that awful of a place, you know.
- logicallee 13y agoWhy would anything on the Internet take a century? If you look at a spreadsheet it actually turns out that there is no length of time it could "take over" such that it is a little more stable, and a little stronger, than the USD. For this to happen, for the reasons I mentioned it would have to inflate at between 0-10% per year. If we go with the ultimate limit of 21 million bitcoins, this means that the price has to move down over time. That cap is at $5.6 billion. If we assume no mining and a 6% inflation, that would have to move down $5.6, $5.26, $4.94, $4.65, $4.37, $4.10, $3.86 over seven years (in real terms). That is just a very low market cap for an Internet currency. And if it's NOT an internet currency? Then what keeps anyone tied in to bitcoin? Gold at least has the lock-in of millennia of world-wide acceptance, as well as an absolute scarcity in the sense that no other element has quite the same characteristics, including verifiability. Further, Gold has significant costs to move and exchange (including transportation, theft prevention, insurance, further verifiability, and so on.) So even if someone thought Gold was on the decline, it is not nearly so simple to move to something different. Bitcoin has nothing that makes it unique on the Internet - except adoption. So if it is NOT getting adopted, anyone can move away very easily. If it IS getting adopted, deflation (scarcity of its supply) is a natural check to that, and people will stop adopting it for the purposes listed. You say I claim "being a major player is the only success condition". Not exactly, though that is the situation I analyzed. Why? Because on the Internet, you can't normally play second fiddle to someone's leading technology. There is first fiddle (violin) followed by fourth viola. If people don't find bitcoin the most useful Internet currency, they can liquidate their holdings in it in 10 minutes * the number of confirmations they'd like. That's it. If they want, they can never use bitcoin again and not lose out on anything. Coupled with the natural mechanism keeping it from reaching large adoption as a leading currency, this is a dangerous formula that results in a shallow market driven by speculation, based on bitcoin's historical performance and its unique properties. As there is no general acceptance of it as a currency, and very good reasons to think that such general acceptance can never materialize, bitcoin simply is in an extremely precarious situation. (Finally a small quibble. I actually didn't compare with the U.S. economy, whose GDP is $16.8 trillion in a year. In terms of wealth, "The financial position of the United States as of Q4 2012 included ... a total of $91.72 trillion" [1]. That is net worth, obviously some entities will have both debts and assets, all of which is of some value to someone. So I really was talking about a very small portion of the economy, just the active money supply and nothing else. 7 trillion barely is enough to denominate just 5 months of GDP in just the United States alone, and is comparable to the market cap of all gold ever mined - which sees fairly low usage as a currency. If we imagine that the whole worldwide Internet is using some currency, it is quite a reasonable number on its market cap, in my opinion.) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_position_of_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_position_of_the_Unite... lead