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Maybe you were thrown off because you failed to see the difference between simply copying copyrighted content without permission (filesharing), and copying some

by hnarn 13y ago

Maybe you were thrown off because you failed to see the difference between simply copying copyrighted content without permission (filesharing), and copying something and claiming that you in fact created it yourself, explicitly (I made this!) or implicitly, by not attributing the original author (plagiarism).

dspillett 13y ago
There is no difference. The content producer worked on the content and wants what they want in exchange for it (indirectly for the effort): money. The ripper worked on ripping the content and wants what they want for it (indirectly for the effort): recognition. One of the usual complains was their "internal rips" being posted elsewhere even when posted without any attribution being removed (or at least with no claim of creator-ship added). There were "rippers" who tried to take credit for the efforts of others, but re-distributing outside the group was the main complaint (either with "correct" attribution or with no attribution at all). I was thrown off because I refused to apologise for not seeing the difference between one person taking the attitude "great, I'll take this and do what-ever I want to do with it under my own terms and not your's because I can and fuck you if you don't like it" and a second person also taking the attitude "great, I'll take this and do what-ever I want to do with it under my own terms and not your's because I can and fuck you if you don't like it".
- habitue 13y ago
  There is a difference. When movies are copied, nobody takes the credits out and adds their name into them. We're talking about attribution vs. copyright. They're completely separate issues, and it trips people up every time something like this gets posted.
  - dspillett 13y ago
    In both cases we are talking about taking what you want distributing it to others because you can irrespective of the views of the content creator(s) and other interested parties. In both cases someone is saying "how dare you do what I don't want you to do?" because they believe they have the right to control such activities and the other party either disagrees with that belief or simply doesn't care.
    - habitue 13y ago
      Yeah, and if we zoom out far enough, every crime is really about people being selfish, so really, it's all the same. The point was that he's not complaining about copyright infringement, he's complaining about attribution. Moral conclusions aside, a lot of people do confuse these two concepts, and they are in fact different concepts, and it's worth distinguishing them. That's all I was saying.
      - dspillett 13y ago
        Yeah, and if we zoom out far enough, every crime is really about people being selfish Hence the base rule of my life philosophy is "try not to be a dick"!

by hnarn 13y ago

dspillett 13y ago

There is no difference. The content producer worked on the content and wants what they want in exchange for it (indirectly for the effort): money. The ripper worked on ripping the content and wants what they want for it (indirectly for the effort): recognition. One of the usual complains was their "internal rips" being posted elsewhere even when posted without any attribution being removed (or at least with no claim of creator-ship added). There were "rippers" who tried to take credit for the efforts of others, but re-distributing outside the group was the main complaint (either with "correct" attribution or with no attribution at all). I was thrown off because I refused to apologise for not seeing the difference between one person taking the attitude "great, I'll take this and do what-ever I want to do with it under my own terms and not your's because I can and fuck you if you don't like it" and a second person also taking the attitude "great, I'll take this and do what-ever I want to do with it under my own terms and not your's because I can and fuck you if you don't like it".

habitue 13y ago
There is a difference. When movies are copied, nobody takes the credits out and adds their name into them. We're talking about attribution vs. copyright. They're completely separate issues, and it trips people up every time something like this gets posted.
- dspillett 13y ago
  In both cases we are talking about taking what you want distributing it to others because you can irrespective of the views of the content creator(s) and other interested parties. In both cases someone is saying "how dare you do what I don't want you to do?" because they believe they have the right to control such activities and the other party either disagrees with that belief or simply doesn't care.
  - habitue 13y ago
    Yeah, and if we zoom out far enough, every crime is really about people being selfish, so really, it's all the same. The point was that he's not complaining about copyright infringement, he's complaining about attribution. Moral conclusions aside, a lot of people do confuse these two concepts, and they are in fact different concepts, and it's worth distinguishing them. That's all I was saying.
    - dspillett 13y ago
      Yeah, and if we zoom out far enough, every crime is really about people being selfish Hence the base rule of my life philosophy is "try not to be a dick"!