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I don't want a product that moves fast and breaks things, but I also don't want to carry the baggage of legacy support for strict vi-mode and whatever else ungo

I don't want a product that moves fast and breaks things, but I also don't want to carry the baggage of legacy support for strict vi-mode and whatever else ungodly edge cases vim continues to support. What I'd rather see is vim with deprecations and upgrades on a reasonably timed roadmap. It's obviously a lot more work to maintain a 7.x branch, 8.x branch etc, but this is much more sustainable and meets everyone's needs better than saying "fuck it I just want Sublime with better vim bindings". An editor is not something where I want to chase the flavor of the month and deal with constant plugin breakages, but neither is it something where I want to be stuck in the 90s forever. There has to be a middle ground. For the time being Bram's approach has earned my trust, and Neovim has to demonstrate many years of good project management and momentum before I will really be willing to trust it.

MetaCosm 13y ago
Those ungodly edge cases are what makes vim usable everywhere, and the default of the defaults on so many systems. That trusty vi command that works a certain way has been dependable since the late 1970s. But, that misses the point of Neovim a bit -- Neovim is about letting the community in (with all the good, and bad that comes with that). I suspect most people won't shift over to Neovim until either (1) They want to actually contribute something and find Vim proper far too daunting, or (2) because of the entirely new plugin model, some amazing plugin is only available on Neovim and it drags them over from Vim. The Neovim plan seems to be "in months to gain momentum, in years to gain trust" -- which is really the only way you can do it.
- timc3 13y ago
  I am moving over to VIM because I disagree with some of the design decisions - for instance, I don't believe in a single gatekeeper to a application that I depend upon.

MetaCosm 13y ago

Those ungodly edge cases are what makes vim usable everywhere, and the default of the defaults on so many systems. That trusty vi command that works a certain way has been dependable since the late 1970s. But, that misses the point of Neovim a bit -- Neovim is about letting the community in (with all the good, and bad that comes with that). I suspect most people won't shift over to Neovim until either (1) They want to actually contribute something and find Vim proper far too daunting, or (2) because of the entirely new plugin model, some amazing plugin is only available on Neovim and it drags them over from Vim. The Neovim plan seems to be "in months to gain momentum, in years to gain trust" -- which is really the only way you can do it.

timc3 13y ago
I am moving over to VIM because I disagree with some of the design decisions - for instance, I don't believe in a single gatekeeper to a application that I depend upon.