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A lot of hosting providers do not want to host adult sites. Mine told me it was primarily because those sites are frequently subject to DDoS attacks and they di

A lot of hosting providers do not want to host adult sites. Mine told me it was primarily because those sites are frequently subject to DDoS attacks and they didn't want to constantly battle that. They wouldn't even allow me to host a site that just handled the sign-up and payment processing even when absolutely no adult content would be hosted on that site (or even my account with them). (I ended up never pursuing my idea so it was a moot point) Many insurance companies will not write home owners policies for people that have a blacklisted breed of dog. When faced with insuring my home, I chose a company that didn't mind my pit bull. I'm not sure if I should really be outraged that a bank doesn't want to do business with a person they see as a high risk. It might not be a 1 or 2 click process to switch banks but it is not that hard. A Wells Fargo customer support person was rude to me one time and I had a new account at a new bank by week's end.

samstave 12y ago
We need empirical definition of what constitutes "high risk" in every single situation where that measure is a factor. It must be absolutely transparent else it should be deemed that the claimer of high risk is actually a money laundering vector, or arbitrary service denier. Further, we need a war-on-bankers. Bank simple and standard treasury are attempts at pulling the wool over people via "startup hype" whereby they still back themselves with traditional banks. Square and stripe are simply the "new mastercard" There is no actual real innovative movement in finance. Bitcoin is going to be attacked, co-opted and robbed. It is also being gamed/cornered by people like the Winklevii... What we need is a crytpo-credit system which is abstracted and anonymous to banking-of-traditional-fiat where a user can build a crypto-credit score from which real currency transactions can emerge/be borrowed. The current system is an oppressive, exclusive system designed to be exceedingly top heavy.
- angersock 12y ago
  "The current system is an oppressive, exclusive system designed to be exceedingly top heavy." Perhaps, but it works alarmingly well.
- nikcub 12y ago
  > We need empirical definition of what constitutes "high risk" is Average CC fraud rate is 0.04% of credit card transactions. A 'high' rate would be greater than 0.1%. The site categories that are listed frequently have fraud rates of 1% or higher, they are way above average. Webcam site fraud rates are at least 1%, if you counted attempts you could multiply that by an order of magnitude. Further, what isn't fraud on the webcam sites is often money laundering. As much as I hate to admit it, but the DOJ are right to be wary of them (not that I agree with shutting down sites or porn star bank accounts carte blanche). Webcamming is a very easy way to launder money, and it happens. A lot.
ubernostrum 12y ago
Recently I was talking to someone who runs the tech side of a large-ish NSFW site (though not one most people would classify as porn). Finding a place to actually host it sounded like her biggest problem -- once she had server space, the site itself was super easy.
- durkie 12y ago
  Any chance you would know what she's doing for payment processing? About to head down a similar route with a project I'm working on -- definitely "adult", but selling physical objects rather than webcam time / vip access.
  - ubernostrum 12y ago
    As far as I'm aware, all merchandise is sold through a separate partner/portal.
  - pmorici 12y ago
    Bitcoin?
- hindsightbias 12y ago
  > biggest problem Sound like an opportunity for a startup
  - jack-r-abbit 12y ago
    I don't know what the space looks like now but 10 years ago they were not hard to find. They were just really expensive. Too expensive for me for a side project/experiment at the time.
  - opendais 12y ago
    It isn't. This is especially true if you aren't geographically constrained. These are all places you can get a powerful VM or a Dedicated for less than $100/month as well. I'm not sure who the parent posts have talked to but I've never had a problem finding one. Especially if it was a colo deal with liability insurance, etc. French Companies: OVH aka SoYouStart Online.NET UK: Linode Netherlands: Virtually anyone but the first that comes to mind is WorldStream

samstave 12y ago

We need empirical definition of what constitutes "high risk" in every single situation where that measure is a factor. It must be absolutely transparent else it should be deemed that the claimer of high risk is actually a money laundering vector, or arbitrary service denier. Further, we need a war-on-bankers. Bank simple and standard treasury are attempts at pulling the wool over people via "startup hype" whereby they still back themselves with traditional banks. Square and stripe are simply the "new mastercard" There is no actual real innovative movement in finance. Bitcoin is going to be attacked, co-opted and robbed. It is also being gamed/cornered by people like the Winklevii... What we need is a crytpo-credit system which is abstracted and anonymous to banking-of-traditional-fiat where a user can build a crypto-credit score from which real currency transactions can emerge/be borrowed. The current system is an oppressive, exclusive system designed to be exceedingly top heavy.

angersock 12y ago
"The current system is an oppressive, exclusive system designed to be exceedingly top heavy." Perhaps, but it works alarmingly well.
nikcub 12y ago
> We need empirical definition of what constitutes "high risk" is Average CC fraud rate is 0.04% of credit card transactions. A 'high' rate would be greater than 0.1%. The site categories that are listed frequently have fraud rates of 1% or higher, they are way above average. Webcam site fraud rates are at least 1%, if you counted attempts you could multiply that by an order of magnitude. Further, what isn't fraud on the webcam sites is often money laundering. As much as I hate to admit it, but the DOJ are right to be wary of them (not that I agree with shutting down sites or porn star bank accounts carte blanche). Webcamming is a very easy way to launder money, and it happens. A lot.

ubernostrum 12y ago

Recently I was talking to someone who runs the tech side of a large-ish NSFW site (though not one most people would classify as porn). Finding a place to actually host it sounded like her biggest problem -- once she had server space, the site itself was super easy.

durkie 12y ago
Any chance you would know what she's doing for payment processing? About to head down a similar route with a project I'm working on -- definitely "adult", but selling physical objects rather than webcam time / vip access.
- ubernostrum 12y ago
  As far as I'm aware, all merchandise is sold through a separate partner/portal.
- pmorici 12y ago
  Bitcoin?
hindsightbias 12y ago
> biggest problem Sound like an opportunity for a startup
- jack-r-abbit 12y ago
  I don't know what the space looks like now but 10 years ago they were not hard to find. They were just really expensive. Too expensive for me for a side project/experiment at the time.
- opendais 12y ago
  It isn't. This is especially true if you aren't geographically constrained. These are all places you can get a powerful VM or a Dedicated for less than $100/month as well. I'm not sure who the parent posts have talked to but I've never had a problem finding one. Especially if it was a colo deal with liability insurance, etc. French Companies: OVH aka SoYouStart Online.NET UK: Linode Netherlands: Virtually anyone but the first that comes to mind is WorldStream