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I hadn't realized the cost of the superchargers stations was more or less known. If I'm honest, even the high-end estimate ($175,000) seems like a bargain for a

I hadn't realized the cost of the superchargers stations was more or less known. If I'm honest, even the high-end estimate ($175,000) seems like a bargain for a largely self-sustaining station that's a major selling point for your vehicle platform. They may even get little communities around them, coffee shacks and the like. I would have guessed they cost half a million each, personally.

001sky 12y ago
Makes you wonder if they included the lot/real-estate.
- maxerickson 12y ago
  I bet it's a cheap lease, it's a no brainer for the restaurants, wealthy people with time to kill showing up in their parking lots.
  - 001sky 12y ago
    Lease would take if off balance sheet regardless of the value of the lease payments. Likely six-figure amount regardless ($4k/month x 24 months...etc).
higherpurpose 12y ago
That's why hydrogen cars can't compete with electric cars. Even at $100,000 per charger, electric car infrastructure is still appearing pretty slowly. Now imagine how much it's going to take when a hydrogen charging station is more like $1.5 million - but for some reason the states want to fund those instead of electric chargers. It makes no sense. Not to mention that with such chargers you can charge you car for free, while hydrogen will still cost quite a bit (probably not much less than gas).
- magic_haze 12y ago
  1. You won't have to wait for an hour for your tank to fill up. 2. The supercharges aren't free: you're paying for them when you buy the car. And it's proprietary: you can't use it with other electric cars.
- vonklaus 12y ago
  Hydrogen is a loss-leader put out there to buy Energy companies to buy a few more years of their incumbency and rent-seeking behaviour. It is just publicity and marketing. I am not a physicist, but I am pretty sure that the process of chopping up CH4 (methane; an already efficient source-fuel) and converting it to hydrogen to run in sub-optimal conditions in a small engine without any nationalized distribution method; is nothing more than posturing. Hydrogen is a relatively dangerous element and is pretty difficult to transport. It IS the most abundant element in the Universe. Unfortunately, just not on Earth....

001sky 12y ago

Makes you wonder if they included the lot/real-estate.

maxerickson 12y ago
I bet it's a cheap lease, it's a no brainer for the restaurants, wealthy people with time to kill showing up in their parking lots.
- 001sky 12y ago
  Lease would take if off balance sheet regardless of the value of the lease payments. Likely six-figure amount regardless ($4k/month x 24 months...etc).

higherpurpose 12y ago

That's why hydrogen cars can't compete with electric cars. Even at $100,000 per charger, electric car infrastructure is still appearing pretty slowly. Now imagine how much it's going to take when a hydrogen charging station is more like $1.5 million - but for some reason the states want to fund those instead of electric chargers. It makes no sense. Not to mention that with such chargers you can charge you car for free, while hydrogen will still cost quite a bit (probably not much less than gas).

magic_haze 12y ago
1. You won't have to wait for an hour for your tank to fill up. 2. The supercharges aren't free: you're paying for them when you buy the car. And it's proprietary: you can't use it with other electric cars.
vonklaus 12y ago
Hydrogen is a loss-leader put out there to buy Energy companies to buy a few more years of their incumbency and rent-seeking behaviour. It is just publicity and marketing. I am not a physicist, but I am pretty sure that the process of chopping up CH4 (methane; an already efficient source-fuel) and converting it to hydrogen to run in sub-optimal conditions in a small engine without any nationalized distribution method; is nothing more than posturing. Hydrogen is a relatively dangerous element and is pretty difficult to transport. It IS the most abundant element in the Universe. Unfortunately, just not on Earth....