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can we tone down the elitist attitude? i personally enjoy how simple WP is to use and extend - that's one of its core strengths. As with any complex piece of so

by zapt02 12y ago

can we tone down the elitist attitude? i personally enjoy how simple WP is to use and extend - that's one of its core strengths. As with any complex piece of software, there are a few wtf's to be had.

gnaritas 12y ago
> can we tone down the elitist attitude? There's nothing elitist about speaking the plain truth, which is exactly what he did.
- pessimizer 12y ago
  Or she did.
  - leeoniya 12y ago
    let's not start jumping on each other's asses every time someone doesnt use s/he; there are about 1e6 ways to determine that i'm a dude, not least of which is my russian username. i, for one, do try to check this when referring to others before resorting to being ambiguous. https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=leeoniya https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=leeoniya https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=leeoniya https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=leeoniya https://github.com/leeoniya https://github.com/leeoniya https://twitter.com/leeoniya https://twitter.com/leeoniya
leeoniya 12y ago
i am speaking from experience. and without getting into it myself, please refer to some others' opinions. http://milesj.me/blog/read/wordpress-is-bad-mmmk http://milesj.me/blog/read/wordpress-is-bad-mmmk http://www.usingwp.com/general-WordPress/why-WordPress-sucks/ http://www.usingwp.com/general-WordPress/why-WordPress-sucks... http://www.phpvs.net/2009/12/08/an-exercise-in-WordPress-integration-or-why-WordPress-sucks/ http://www.phpvs.net/2009/12/08/an-exercise-in-WordPress-int... http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/7-bad-things-about-WordPress/ http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/7-bad-things-about-WordPress... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1481631/why-is-wordpress-considered-to-be-poorly-programmed http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1481631/why-is-wordpress-... http://someguyjeremy.com/blog/why-i-hate-wordpress http://someguyjeremy.com/blog/why-i-hate-wordpress http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/wordpress-decoupled/ http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/wordpress-decoupled/
nilved 12y ago
> how simple WP is to use and extend Have you ever used anything else? Like ever? Because WP is neither of these.
porker 12y ago
Upvoting you because you said nothing which deserved a downvote. You have asked a civil question and contributed to the discussion. I feel the tension you have - it's great to have something simple to use (time to learn WP and produce app X < time to learn Symfony2 and produce app X) and sometimes that's what's needed; it's also nice to have a sane core architecture. I've worked with PHP 10+ years and WP on and off (had an argument with Matt back in 2003 about WP's code architecture which led to me not getting involved in the project) and WP might be 'easy' but it's not 'simple'. I have to go to the wiki or Google frequently, the functions do not have obvious names, 'The Loop' is crazy behaviour once in an app... a solid modern codebase in the centre would make life easier. Keep the easy extendable nature of it sure - it's great to have a slightly messy outer layer. But please give me a solid core (and a saner template rendering pipeline)

by zapt02 12y ago

gnaritas 12y ago

> can we tone down the elitist attitude? There's nothing elitist about speaking the plain truth, which is exactly what he did.

pessimizer 12y ago
Or she did.
- leeoniya 12y ago
  let's not start jumping on each other's asses every time someone doesnt use s/he; there are about 1e6 ways to determine that i'm a dude, not least of which is my russian username. i, for one, do try to check this when referring to others before resorting to being ambiguous. https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=leeoniya https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=leeoniya https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=leeoniya https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=leeoniya https://github.com/leeoniya https://github.com/leeoniya https://twitter.com/leeoniya https://twitter.com/leeoniya

leeoniya 12y ago

i am speaking from experience. and without getting into it myself, please refer to some others' opinions. http://milesj.me/blog/read/wordpress-is-bad-mmmk http://milesj.me/blog/read/wordpress-is-bad-mmmk http://www.usingwp.com/general-WordPress/why-WordPress-sucks/ http://www.usingwp.com/general-WordPress/why-WordPress-sucks... http://www.phpvs.net/2009/12/08/an-exercise-in-WordPress-integration-or-why-WordPress-sucks/ http://www.phpvs.net/2009/12/08/an-exercise-in-WordPress-int... http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/7-bad-things-about-WordPress/ http://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/7-bad-things-about-WordPress... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1481631/why-is-wordpress-considered-to-be-poorly-programmed http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1481631/why-is-wordpress-... http://someguyjeremy.com/blog/why-i-hate-wordpress http://someguyjeremy.com/blog/why-i-hate-wordpress http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/wordpress-decoupled/ http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/wordpress-decoupled/

nilved 12y ago

> how simple WP is to use and extend Have you ever used anything else? Like ever? Because WP is neither of these.

porker 12y ago

Upvoting you because you said nothing which deserved a downvote. You have asked a civil question and contributed to the discussion. I feel the tension you have - it's great to have something simple to use (time to learn WP and produce app X < time to learn Symfony2 and produce app X) and sometimes that's what's needed; it's also nice to have a sane core architecture. I've worked with PHP 10+ years and WP on and off (had an argument with Matt back in 2003 about WP's code architecture which led to me not getting involved in the project) and WP might be 'easy' but it's not 'simple'. I have to go to the wiki or Google frequently, the functions do not have obvious names, 'The Loop' is crazy behaviour once in an app... a solid modern codebase in the centre would make life easier. Keep the easy extendable nature of it sure - it's great to have a slightly messy outer layer. But please give me a solid core (and a saner template rendering pipeline)