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Not just that, but can be said this way: I I'm a guy and I approach a 100 women, and not a single one of them wants to get intimate with me.. Will I blame these

Not just that, but can be said this way: I I'm a guy and I approach a 100 women, and not a single one of them wants to get intimate with me.. Will I blame these 100 women and find flaws in them, or will I see it for what it is (cognitive dissonance) and ask myself what I'm lacking or at least. To sum it up: If stuff isn't working for you in a lot of industries, maybe there's a reason other than all those industries conspiring against you. Can be said for hiring too, most guys I know complained about posting hundreds of CV's all over the place and finding no jobs, and I put only one CV, in the company I was interested in, and got a job offer (and all those guys said this company only hires you if you know someone). The least one can do is not to take himself out of the responsibility equation, blaming others for all his misery. Verbose answer. I don't blame the Illuminati or Area 51 for it. I can't say more in less. It's me :)

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tptacek 13y ago
I see. So, in addition to the fact that you believe the music industry to be at least as sexist as the technology industry, and thus the exclusive priority of efforts to eliminate sexism (if any such efforts are needed), but also you've heard of guys sending out 100 resumes and getting only 1 bite, and therefore concerns about sexism must be overblown.
- GregorStocks 13y ago
  You seem to be overlooking the most important part, which is that the OP is very smart.
  - Jugurtha 13y ago
    Not very smart. Just smart enough to be where very smart people are. Proof: I'm here.
- Jugurtha 13y ago
  I don't think it is what I said. I know the guys who sent a lot of CVs, and not getting a bite at all (hence the complaining they don't find jobs, and blaming companies for being corrupt and only hiring people with connection: It doesn't mean companies are saints, it just means companies recruits can't all be incompetent people who only know someone-companies are successful, at least some have got to be good at their job-). And the music industry, from my outsider eyes, is at least as sexist -if it is at all- as the tech industry, or more: It's easier to be known as a hacker for your work, without people knowing who you are, which gender and if you smell, than it is to be known as a musician: I don't know if there has ever been a faceless rockstar, but there have been faceless hackers. (I don't know what you look like, but I know your nickname and admire your work: For all I know, you could be a woman). My point is: There are some women who seem to be respected in the tech industry.. What are they doing right that made them overcome any sexism that would exist in their companies, etc.. I didn't mean to say it doesn't exist, I just meant that there seems to be people for whom it was a hurdle, but somehow they managed to do well for themselves. And if they can do it, why not strive for that for people in this demographic (can be stretched to include arguments about racism (There's at least one black man who's done well, and is the President of a rather important country, if I were black, I'd say "Why not me, why wouldn't I have that kind of success/achievement"). My main frustration is when people take themselves out of the responsibility equation from the get go: "It can not my fault, let's find someone who's responsible for my misery. Anyone in my situation with success is an exception".. And the fact it's "trendy" to whine in blog post after blog post about how unfair the world is.
  - tptacek 13y ago
    Alright. So, in addition to the fact that you believe the music industry to be at least as sexist as the technology industry, and thus the exclusive priority of efforts to eliminate sexism (if any such efforts are needed), and that you've heard of guys sending out 100 resumes and getting only 1 bite, indicating that concerns about sexism must be overblown, you are also aware of some women who are successful in the tech industry. Therefore, it's hard for you to believe that there's rampant sexism. Do you see how vapid these points are when they're expressed in single sentences, rather than 5 paragraphs? Because these points seem pretty vapid to me. They don't even work as logic: * Two wrongs obviously don't make a right. * Your conclusion about sexism doesn't follow from the premise that there are men who have a hard time getting resume responses. For one thing, sending blind resumes is a terribly stupid job hunting strategy. * Your conclusion about sexism doesn't follow from the premise that some women are successful. Sexism in the industry, no matter what level you might believe it to be at, obviously isn't homogenous across all companies.

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tptacek 13y ago

I see. So, in addition to the fact that you believe the music industry to be at least as sexist as the technology industry, and thus the exclusive priority of efforts to eliminate sexism (if any such efforts are needed), but also you've heard of guys sending out 100 resumes and getting only 1 bite, and therefore concerns about sexism must be overblown.

GregorStocks 13y ago
You seem to be overlooking the most important part, which is that the OP is very smart.
- Jugurtha 13y ago
  Not very smart. Just smart enough to be where very smart people are. Proof: I'm here.
Jugurtha 13y ago
I don't think it is what I said. I know the guys who sent a lot of CVs, and not getting a bite at all (hence the complaining they don't find jobs, and blaming companies for being corrupt and only hiring people with connection: It doesn't mean companies are saints, it just means companies recruits can't all be incompetent people who only know someone-companies are successful, at least some have got to be good at their job-). And the music industry, from my outsider eyes, is at least as sexist -if it is at all- as the tech industry, or more: It's easier to be known as a hacker for your work, without people knowing who you are, which gender and if you smell, than it is to be known as a musician: I don't know if there has ever been a faceless rockstar, but there have been faceless hackers. (I don't know what you look like, but I know your nickname and admire your work: For all I know, you could be a woman). My point is: There are some women who seem to be respected in the tech industry.. What are they doing right that made them overcome any sexism that would exist in their companies, etc.. I didn't mean to say it doesn't exist, I just meant that there seems to be people for whom it was a hurdle, but somehow they managed to do well for themselves. And if they can do it, why not strive for that for people in this demographic (can be stretched to include arguments about racism (There's at least one black man who's done well, and is the President of a rather important country, if I were black, I'd say "Why not me, why wouldn't I have that kind of success/achievement"). My main frustration is when people take themselves out of the responsibility equation from the get go: "It can not my fault, let's find someone who's responsible for my misery. Anyone in my situation with success is an exception".. And the fact it's "trendy" to whine in blog post after blog post about how unfair the world is.
- tptacek 13y ago
  Alright. So, in addition to the fact that you believe the music industry to be at least as sexist as the technology industry, and thus the exclusive priority of efforts to eliminate sexism (if any such efforts are needed), and that you've heard of guys sending out 100 resumes and getting only 1 bite, indicating that concerns about sexism must be overblown, you are also aware of some women who are successful in the tech industry. Therefore, it's hard for you to believe that there's rampant sexism. Do you see how vapid these points are when they're expressed in single sentences, rather than 5 paragraphs? Because these points seem pretty vapid to me. They don't even work as logic: * Two wrongs obviously don't make a right. * Your conclusion about sexism doesn't follow from the premise that there are men who have a hard time getting resume responses. For one thing, sending blind resumes is a terribly stupid job hunting strategy. * Your conclusion about sexism doesn't follow from the premise that some women are successful. Sexism in the industry, no matter what level you might believe it to be at, obviously isn't homogenous across all companies.