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They won't "stop breaking everything" because they feel the irresistible urge to constantly "improve" and "reinvent" the UI until it becomes unusable (a.k.a. th

They won't "stop breaking everything" because they feel the irresistible urge to constantly "improve" and "reinvent" the UI until it becomes unusable (a.k.a. the Linux desktop syndrome). BTW, the refresh button is in the 'menu config', you can drag it to the old place. The stop button and other 'classic' buttons are gone. Meaningless 'browser.tabs.onTop' prepares you for your transition to Chrome. FF is so frustrating and disappointing. I'm not angry, just sad.

NotOscarWilde 12y ago
> "improve" and "reinvent" I don't remember any change in the UI in the last two years that was not copying what Chrome does. So "improve" may be right, but hardly "reinvent".
- fhd2 12y ago
  I very much feel the same. But to be fair, with Australis, the whole "widgets" thing is new, and I really like how Firefox and add-ons can both use it in the same way.
- insky 12y ago
  That's pretty much how I feel. I was thinking for a second the whole UI might get a shake up, or rather, there would be innovative useful functions, that would set the browser apart. The bookmark and history managers are still pretty aweful. Some of the UI has been polished, but certainly not all. The refresh button irritates me, because for some reason it feels smaller. I feel the whole tab placement is a little moot, as it should follow the OSs style. Quite why we haven't good tab management/redesign/overhaul in modern window managers/desktops yet is beyond me. Personally I'd rather a tool menu. And a location/search bar, a bookmark manager, and a browser pane. All pretty much separate. Text input would be a nice centralised overlay/popup as and when needed, which I could make huge or small. In other words help with web forms. Android's Chrome browser kind of does that. In opera I used to be able to float the address bar, but it lost it's 'awesome' qualities - autocomplete etc. It's OS/UX territory, why reinvent controls and the way we interact with each application? The overall UX ends up feeling like a right hodge-podge.
grandpoobah 12y ago
Where is the refresh button I can drag in to the old place? I can only see a Sync button which looks like refresh but isn't refresh.
- ExpiredLink 12y ago
  Oops sorry, you are right. We are back to F5.

NotOscarWilde 12y ago

> "improve" and "reinvent" I don't remember any change in the UI in the last two years that was not copying what Chrome does. So "improve" may be right, but hardly "reinvent".

fhd2 12y ago
I very much feel the same. But to be fair, with Australis, the whole "widgets" thing is new, and I really like how Firefox and add-ons can both use it in the same way.
insky 12y ago
That's pretty much how I feel. I was thinking for a second the whole UI might get a shake up, or rather, there would be innovative useful functions, that would set the browser apart. The bookmark and history managers are still pretty aweful. Some of the UI has been polished, but certainly not all. The refresh button irritates me, because for some reason it feels smaller. I feel the whole tab placement is a little moot, as it should follow the OSs style. Quite why we haven't good tab management/redesign/overhaul in modern window managers/desktops yet is beyond me. Personally I'd rather a tool menu. And a location/search bar, a bookmark manager, and a browser pane. All pretty much separate. Text input would be a nice centralised overlay/popup as and when needed, which I could make huge or small. In other words help with web forms. Android's Chrome browser kind of does that. In opera I used to be able to float the address bar, but it lost it's 'awesome' qualities - autocomplete etc. It's OS/UX territory, why reinvent controls and the way we interact with each application? The overall UX ends up feeling like a right hodge-podge.

grandpoobah 12y ago

Where is the refresh button I can drag in to the old place? I can only see a Sync button which looks like refresh but isn't refresh.

ExpiredLink 12y ago
Oops sorry, you are right. We are back to F5.