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Splitwise even has a really well thought out rent calculator: https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/rent https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/rent This even a

Splitwise even has a really well thought out rent calculator: https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/rent https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/rent This even allows you to do the "Two people sharing a single room in a two-bedroom" calculation, unlike the NYTimes calculator.

joshstrange 12y ago
Yes, and they have quite a few calculators [0] for other stuff as well: * Should you get renters insurance? [1] * The Splitwise Furniture Calculator [2] * The Splitwise Guest Calculator [3] * The Loud Sex (and other night-time noises) Calculator [4] * The Splitwise Travel Calculator [5] [0] https://www.splitwise.com/calculators https://www.splitwise.com/calculators [1] https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/renters https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/renters [2] https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/furniture https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/furniture [3] https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/guest https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/guest [4] https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/noise https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/noise [5] https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/travel https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/travel
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- jessriedel 12y ago
  All those forms output through an "in-page pop up" ("pop over"?) window that dims the rest of the page. It doesn't correctly display on any of my Android browsers. Mobile vs desktop page request doesn't matter. Can only see part of the results, and can't scroll over to the close button so I have to leave the tab all together. I see this kind of brokenness all the time. Is there a well known way to fix it on my end? Is this just bad web design?
darkmighty 12y ago
Yea but the prices there are arbitrary. With the NYT calculator if you make "rational" choices you are guaranteed at least a fair split (better if your mate is irrational)
- mjmahone17 12y ago
  They're arbitrary, but in my experience, are generally fair, and leave fewer feelings of resentment than with a bidding system.
  - twic 12y ago
    Which is kind of insane, right? The whole point of the bidding system is that it ends in an optimal position, where nobody would pay more for a room than someone else is already paying. Whereas with an arbitrary system, you might well end up in that situation. I suppose the insight is that (some or many) people are more ready to accept an unfair situation dictated by a dispassionate external authority (even if that authority is just some JavaScript!) than a fair situation reached by negotiation.
    - lmm 12y ago
      I remember a trade unionist saying: "a good deal is one that everyone's unhappy with".
    - YokoZar 12y ago
      Part of what might make this reasonable is that this process takes who is moving in together as a given. Say you and I want to be roommates, and you happen to know that I have a pathological fear of sleeping in big bedrooms. Clearly the efficient thing to happen if you're a normal person is for you to get the large room and me to get the small room. But how much do we pay? It seems rather unfair of you to incorporate that information into the bidding system and bid up the price of the small room (a sort of strategic bidding). But it also seems unfair that if we both answer honestly the system has a good chance of making the smaller room priced the same (or more than) the big room. With any other roommate, especially one who didn't know about my pathological fear, I could expect to pay less for the smaller room. These "external authorities" might reflect such widespread notions, as well as avoid the risk of strategic bidding that can occur after roommate selection is fixed.
- urthos 12y ago
  Jon from Splitwise here, thanks @mjmahone17 for mentioning our answer to this problem. I think if you have complex or specific preferences about rent splitting (ie I don't want to live next to the kitchen) and live with a bunch of fellow nerds, an implicit fair division system may work well. The NYT calc is a great new implementation the Francis Su paper - the old Java one was broken. If you have non-nerd roommates, couples living together, or are already assigned to rooms by fate or immutable preference, that's what the Splitwise calculator is for. The price are based on square-footage, survey data, and common sense. Not everyone is willing to change from the room they like, or sit for an auction. Rationale: http://blog.splitwise.com/rent-calculator-faq/ http://blog.splitwise.com/rent-calculator-faq/ Survey: http://blog.splitwise.com/2011/02/20/survey-results-split-the-rent-accurate-to-within-10/ http://blog.splitwise.com/2011/02/20/survey-results-split-th... Follow up: http://blog.splitwise.com/2011/03/01/does-it-really-work-feedback-on-the-rent-calculator/ http://blog.splitwise.com/2011/03/01/does-it-really-work-fee... My Quora answer: https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-fairest-way-to-assign-rooms-in-a-flat https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-fairest-way-to-assign-rooms-... Happy to answer questions at jon at splitwise dot com
gabriel34 12y ago
two people sharing a single room can be done in NYT's one also by simply talking in terms of beds (top bunk, room1; lower bunk, room1; room2)
josephjrobison 12y ago
Splitwise has been an argument saver for dividing up rent. When you have huge discrepancies in bedroom size and people on different budgets, the arguments get really awkward unless you're using some type of "unbiased" tool.

joshstrange 12y ago

Yes, and they have quite a few calculators [0] for other stuff as well: * Should you get renters insurance? [1] * The Splitwise Furniture Calculator [2] * The Splitwise Guest Calculator [3] * The Loud Sex (and other night-time noises) Calculator [4] * The Splitwise Travel Calculator [5] [0] https://www.splitwise.com/calculators https://www.splitwise.com/calculators [1] https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/renters https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/renters [2] https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/furniture https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/furniture [3] https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/guest https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/guest [4] https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/noise https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/noise [5] https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/travel https://www.splitwise.com/calculators/travel

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jessriedel 12y ago
All those forms output through an "in-page pop up" ("pop over"?) window that dims the rest of the page. It doesn't correctly display on any of my Android browsers. Mobile vs desktop page request doesn't matter. Can only see part of the results, and can't scroll over to the close button so I have to leave the tab all together. I see this kind of brokenness all the time. Is there a well known way to fix it on my end? Is this just bad web design?

darkmighty 12y ago

Yea but the prices there are arbitrary. With the NYT calculator if you make "rational" choices you are guaranteed at least a fair split (better if your mate is irrational)

mjmahone17 12y ago
They're arbitrary, but in my experience, are generally fair, and leave fewer feelings of resentment than with a bidding system.
- twic 12y ago
  Which is kind of insane, right? The whole point of the bidding system is that it ends in an optimal position, where nobody would pay more for a room than someone else is already paying. Whereas with an arbitrary system, you might well end up in that situation. I suppose the insight is that (some or many) people are more ready to accept an unfair situation dictated by a dispassionate external authority (even if that authority is just some JavaScript!) than a fair situation reached by negotiation.
  - lmm 12y ago
    I remember a trade unionist saying: "a good deal is one that everyone's unhappy with".
  - YokoZar 12y ago
    Part of what might make this reasonable is that this process takes who is moving in together as a given. Say you and I want to be roommates, and you happen to know that I have a pathological fear of sleeping in big bedrooms. Clearly the efficient thing to happen if you're a normal person is for you to get the large room and me to get the small room. But how much do we pay? It seems rather unfair of you to incorporate that information into the bidding system and bid up the price of the small room (a sort of strategic bidding). But it also seems unfair that if we both answer honestly the system has a good chance of making the smaller room priced the same (or more than) the big room. With any other roommate, especially one who didn't know about my pathological fear, I could expect to pay less for the smaller room. These "external authorities" might reflect such widespread notions, as well as avoid the risk of strategic bidding that can occur after roommate selection is fixed.
urthos 12y ago
Jon from Splitwise here, thanks @mjmahone17 for mentioning our answer to this problem. I think if you have complex or specific preferences about rent splitting (ie I don't want to live next to the kitchen) and live with a bunch of fellow nerds, an implicit fair division system may work well. The NYT calc is a great new implementation the Francis Su paper - the old Java one was broken. If you have non-nerd roommates, couples living together, or are already assigned to rooms by fate or immutable preference, that's what the Splitwise calculator is for. The price are based on square-footage, survey data, and common sense. Not everyone is willing to change from the room they like, or sit for an auction. Rationale: http://blog.splitwise.com/rent-calculator-faq/ http://blog.splitwise.com/rent-calculator-faq/ Survey: http://blog.splitwise.com/2011/02/20/survey-results-split-the-rent-accurate-to-within-10/ http://blog.splitwise.com/2011/02/20/survey-results-split-th... Follow up: http://blog.splitwise.com/2011/03/01/does-it-really-work-feedback-on-the-rent-calculator/ http://blog.splitwise.com/2011/03/01/does-it-really-work-fee... My Quora answer: https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-fairest-way-to-assign-rooms-in-a-flat https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-fairest-way-to-assign-rooms-... Happy to answer questions at jon at splitwise dot com

gabriel34 12y ago

two people sharing a single room can be done in NYT's one also by simply talking in terms of beds (top bunk, room1; lower bunk, room1; room2)

josephjrobison 12y ago

Splitwise has been an argument saver for dividing up rent. When you have huge discrepancies in bedroom size and people on different budgets, the arguments get really awkward unless you're using some type of "unbiased" tool.