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When is this fad going to die out? You can't produce a competent web developer in 8 weeks. Maybe this would be useful to an experienced dev who is looking to pi

by trose 12y ago

When is this fad going to die out? You can't produce a competent web developer in 8 weeks. Maybe this would be useful to an experienced dev who is looking to pick up some web technologies in a structured atmosphere but there are so many resources available online, why bother?

minimaxir 12y ago
The real interesting statistic would be to illustrate the correlation between post-secondary study and salary. (The post had the distribution of both, but no relationship) It's entirely possible that the higher salaries are caused by the prior education and not the boot camp.
- killertypo 12y ago
  exactly my thoughts
killertypo 12y ago
It's telling that a large % come with a bachelors degree, or that 6% had an associates and an additional 11% with a masters. Adding that up you have 6% Associates + 65% Bach + 11% Masters Or a total of 77% with degrees and an 88% pass-rate. They don't tell us the overlap or what % that passed and had a college were the top earners from their averages. Stats can be twisted to tell just about any story, without the raw data and a chance to perform independent analysis it's hard to tell who the real success stories are. What a newbie gets in 8 weeks is probably not much, but a CompSci masters holder, he may get much more. I don't like these partial stories with pretty stats that don't tell us the overlaps and give us real pictures. These stats are great PR, but they're about as helpful as asshole on an elbow.
lispylol 12y ago
I don't think these bootcamps are going to go away so long as there's pent up demand for developers. I do think there are existing models that work for a particular audience (college educated, analytical/mathematical thinkers?) and those are going to continue serving as more effective alternatives to scouring the web for resources on your own or going back to school. Some schools might find out that 8 weeks is too short. Others might find it too long. Being that these rapid fire dev ramp-up programs are still pretty new it'll be interesting to see what insights emerge.

by trose 12y ago

minimaxir 12y ago

The real interesting statistic would be to illustrate the correlation between post-secondary study and salary. (The post had the distribution of both, but no relationship) It's entirely possible that the higher salaries are caused by the prior education and not the boot camp.

killertypo 12y ago
exactly my thoughts

killertypo 12y ago

It's telling that a large % come with a bachelors degree, or that 6% had an associates and an additional 11% with a masters. Adding that up you have 6% Associates + 65% Bach + 11% Masters Or a total of 77% with degrees and an 88% pass-rate. They don't tell us the overlap or what % that passed and had a college were the top earners from their averages. Stats can be twisted to tell just about any story, without the raw data and a chance to perform independent analysis it's hard to tell who the real success stories are. What a newbie gets in 8 weeks is probably not much, but a CompSci masters holder, he may get much more. I don't like these partial stories with pretty stats that don't tell us the overlaps and give us real pictures. These stats are great PR, but they're about as helpful as asshole on an elbow.

lispylol 12y ago

I don't think these bootcamps are going to go away so long as there's pent up demand for developers. I do think there are existing models that work for a particular audience (college educated, analytical/mathematical thinkers?) and those are going to continue serving as more effective alternatives to scouring the web for resources on your own or going back to school. Some schools might find out that 8 weeks is too short. Others might find it too long. Being that these rapid fire dev ramp-up programs are still pretty new it'll be interesting to see what insights emerge.