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> I use Ubuntu on a laptop when I'm at home (rarely) couch surfing. It's miserable. Slow redraws, down syndrom-ish user interfaces, the whole thing feels and ac

> I use Ubuntu on a laptop when I'm at home (rarely) couch surfing. It's miserable. Slow redraws, down syndrom-ish user interfaces, the whole thing feels and acts cheap. Why are you using Ubuntu, then? I suspect it's more your choice of distribution and GUI environment that's at fault for your unsatisfying user experience than anything inherent to Linux or X. On FreeBSD with AHWM (instead of Ubuntu with GNOME), I don't have such issues at all. The only stuff that's slow is waiting for Firefox, OO.o, and the GIMP to open the first time I open each of them after starting the computer. On the rare occasion that I use MS Windows, by contrast, I tend to spend a lot of time waiting. I can't stand GNOME and KDE (especially KDE 4). The sitting around and waiting for stuff to happen is far too reminiscent of MS Windows for my taste. > I get and appreciate the network transparency of it all, but shit, VNC is often faster for me than forwarding X over SSH. Are you using SSH compression? I mean, sure, X over SSH is slow across the Internet, even with compression, but then MS Windows Remote Desktop is no blazing-fast, realtime operation under those circumstances, either. > displays and plumbing I'm not sure what you mean by that.

trezor 17y ago
I mean, sure, X over SSH is slow across the Internet, even with compression, but then MS Windows Remote Desktop is no blazing-fast, realtime operation under those circumstances, either. Actually it is. I can work with remote desktop sessions over a cellphone link without having too much latency issues. Remote Desktop is definitely a result of good engineering. Add support for local drives, printers, clipboards, USB devices etc and it's one of those very neat things which makes me love working with multiple Windows servers remotely.
- apotheon 17y ago
  In my experience, actually it isn't. I didn't just make that up. Sorry -- your anecdotal evidence doesn't trump mine, especially since: 1. you haven't provided a comparison with X, which is sorta the point -- so maybe X would be blazing fast in your circumstances too 2. if what you say is true, you're obviously operating under different circumstances than me (or my girlfriend who has to use RDP all the time for work) 3. I have no way of knowing if what you said is true
jawngee 17y ago
No I'm talking about using X on our Gigabit internal ethernet network (mostly using Virt-Manager to manage our farm of Xen slices). Shit is slow. I've tried both Gnome and KDE, I've also tried some alternates. They all suck in comparison to Windows and OS X.
- apotheon 17y ago
  Holy crap. If X forwarding over SSH is that slow on an internal Gb network, either network congestion is crazy-high, or you're doing something wrong. At least, that's my guess, based on my experience with X over SSH, since "shit is not slow" on my 10/100 network. > I've tried both Gnome and KDE, I've also tried some alternates. They all suck in comparison to Windows and OS X. In my experience, KDE (pre-4.0) and GNOME are marginally better than MS Windows, and slightly worse than MacOS X -- but most of the rest of window managers are significantly better than both MacOS X and MS Windows. Then again, if you're specifically speaking of some kind of interaction between your window manager and X forwarding, I really don't know, since I've never actually tried using KDE or GNOME in concert with X forwarding over SSH.

trezor 17y ago

I mean, sure, X over SSH is slow across the Internet, even with compression, but then MS Windows Remote Desktop is no blazing-fast, realtime operation under those circumstances, either. Actually it is. I can work with remote desktop sessions over a cellphone link without having too much latency issues. Remote Desktop is definitely a result of good engineering. Add support for local drives, printers, clipboards, USB devices etc and it's one of those very neat things which makes me love working with multiple Windows servers remotely.

apotheon 17y ago
In my experience, actually it isn't. I didn't just make that up. Sorry -- your anecdotal evidence doesn't trump mine, especially since: 1. you haven't provided a comparison with X, which is sorta the point -- so maybe X would be blazing fast in your circumstances too 2. if what you say is true, you're obviously operating under different circumstances than me (or my girlfriend who has to use RDP all the time for work) 3. I have no way of knowing if what you said is true

jawngee 17y ago

No I'm talking about using X on our Gigabit internal ethernet network (mostly using Virt-Manager to manage our farm of Xen slices). Shit is slow. I've tried both Gnome and KDE, I've also tried some alternates. They all suck in comparison to Windows and OS X.

apotheon 17y ago
Holy crap. If X forwarding over SSH is that slow on an internal Gb network, either network congestion is crazy-high, or you're doing something wrong. At least, that's my guess, based on my experience with X over SSH, since "shit is not slow" on my 10/100 network. > I've tried both Gnome and KDE, I've also tried some alternates. They all suck in comparison to Windows and OS X. In my experience, KDE (pre-4.0) and GNOME are marginally better than MS Windows, and slightly worse than MacOS X -- but most of the rest of window managers are significantly better than both MacOS X and MS Windows. Then again, if you're specifically speaking of some kind of interaction between your window manager and X forwarding, I really don't know, since I've never actually tried using KDE or GNOME in concert with X forwarding over SSH.