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If you're a reasonably intelligent person subject to real wrongdoing of this nature, would it not behoove you to collect evidence that will support your allegat
by malandrew 13y ago
If you're a reasonably intelligent person subject to real wrongdoing of this nature, would it not behoove you to collect evidence that will support your allegations of misconduct when you finally make your claim public? The fact that there really is not one piece of evidence she's been able to produce leads me to believe that claims of sexual misconduct are anything more than imagined.
I've been in a situation where I was reasonably certain that I observed fiduciary misconduct. At the time I basically had three choices:
(1) stay at the company and ignore it
(2) stay at the company and collect irrefutable evidence and expose the wrongdoing; or
(3) ignore it and leave the company because it was not my problem to deal with and would be more damaging to my career to do something about it.
There was never a 4th option: "expose the wrongdoing with no concrete evidence". I didn't have enough to substantiate any allegations. It's entirely possible that I could have even been mistaken about what actually happened since my relationship with the person in question was rocky and I might have been projecting my negative perceptions of that person onto a novel situation. Without collecting concrete evidence to prove my allegations, I couldn't even be certain of what happened, much less certain that exposing the wrongdoing without evidence would be fruitful.
The burden of proof was the responsibility of the accuser, and in this instance the accuser has failed to substantiate claims made.
- mtrimpe 13y agoIf we extend that line of reasoning then if you're raped but can't prove it you should stay silent because making it public without hard evidence is just not an option.
- malandrew 13y agoStrawman. Rapes leave evidence [0]. Spoken words don't. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_kit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_kit
- silencio 13y agoRape kits don't necessarily show consent or lack thereof, which is crucial but usually ends up boiling down to being a he-said-she-said problem. You could know who the rapist is with a rape kit that also points to the same person and still be dragged through the mud with the "you must have enjoyed it because you're a slut/you slept with him/her in the past" kind of crap - not many people can deal with that so.....yeah. Plus they are not always the end-all to a rape case even if you have proof of physical contact with no consent. That's before you even get to any problems before you reach the rape kit stage - I've read way too many depressing posts on r/twoxchromosomes and other sites where women don't even know if they've been raped because they don't remember it after being drugged (good luck with a kit that late) or don't think it "crosses the line" or are just like "it was a bad night" if their boyfriend rips their clothing off and tries to have sex with them even though they were saying "no" and crying the whole time. Usually comes hand in hand with a culture that likes to perpetuate bullshit like "you can't change your mind in the middle of having sex" and "married people can't be raped by their partner". Gooood luck with rape reporting in general, there's a reason - no, many reasons - why so many people keep silent.
- matdes 13y agouhhh no. no they don't, necessarily. I guess if your only definition of rape is the screaming sexual assault in an alleyway trope, of course you'd think that.
- lawnchair_larry 13y agoIf you're only "reasonably certain" you've been raped, then yes, you should stay silent until you can figure it out for certain.