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Computer technology alone is extremely valuable, would you be OK with restricting the export of that?

by VMG 13y ago

colechristensen 13y ago
It's fairly unfortunate that a majority of computer technology is imported from foreign manufacturers for many reasons, but export control isn't really one of them. Supercomputers, yes ... general components... not particularly. In a lot of ways 'modern' computer technology isn't all that essential. It certainly isn't present in a whole lot of our military hardware because of realities of acquiring and maintaining such hardware _and_ the lack of an exponential increase of computing needs to match capabilities. In fewer words, computer technology is valuable, but not extremely so. Restricting the flow of anything remotely related to consumer computer tech wouldn't have much benefit, even if it were possible considering most of it is made in Asia.
- VMG 13y ago
  Then just focus on basic computer technology. Restricting the export of semiconductors in the early 60s could have created a significant advantage for the US, but would be absurd to support a decision like that. Military benefit alone is not enough to justify an export restriction, one has to consider the cost on society as a whole. The cost of restricting the export of cryptography is too large to justify.
- jimktrains2 13y ago
  > Supercomputers, yes ... general components... not particularly. There isn't a terribly large difference anymore except for size and tuning.
  - colechristensen 13y ago
    The processors and basic hardware have been mostly commodity since the mid 90s, the interconnects and related technology have mostly been specialized hardware though you could always do grid computing with Ethernet and the like.
    - jimktrains2 13y ago
      True. Things like the Crays have their own, specialized interconnects and OS (on work nodes). A lot of things that aren't trying to be in the top can use fiber channel for similar results, though.
interesting_guy 13y ago
the did this in the early days..
- pdw 13y ago
  they still do... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjusted_Peak_Performance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjusted_Peak_Performance

Computer technology alone is extremely valuable, would you be OK with restricting the export of that?

by VMG 13y ago

Computer technology alone is extremely valuable, would you be OK with restricting the export of that?

It's fairly unfortunate that a majority of computer technology is imported from foreign manufacturers for many reasons, but export control isn't really one of them. Supercomputers, yes ... general components... not particularly. In a lot of ways 'modern' computer technology isn't all that essential. It certainly isn't present in a whole lot of our military hardware because of realities of acquiring and maintaining such hardware _and_ the lack of an exponential increase of computing needs to match capabilities. In fewer words, computer technology is valuable, but not extremely so. Restricting the flow of anything remotely related to consumer computer tech wouldn't have much benefit, even if it were possible considering most of it is made in Asia.

VMG 13y ago
Then just focus on basic computer technology. Restricting the export of semiconductors in the early 60s could have created a significant advantage for the US, but would be absurd to support a decision like that. Military benefit alone is not enough to justify an export restriction, one has to consider the cost on society as a whole. The cost of restricting the export of cryptography is too large to justify.
jimktrains2 13y ago
> Supercomputers, yes ... general components... not particularly. There isn't a terribly large difference anymore except for size and tuning.
- colechristensen 13y ago
  The processors and basic hardware have been mostly commodity since the mid 90s, the interconnects and related technology have mostly been specialized hardware though you could always do grid computing with Ethernet and the like.
  - jimktrains2 13y ago
    True. Things like the Crays have their own, specialized interconnects and OS (on work nodes). A lot of things that aren't trying to be in the top can use fiber channel for similar results, though.

interesting_guy 13y ago

the did this in the early days..

pdw 13y ago
they still do... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjusted_Peak_Performance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjusted_Peak_Performance