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So is the consensus that this guy actually committed all counts of the allegations or is this article just really biased.

onedev 12y ago
It's really hard to argue with a 30min video that supposedly showed the entire thing as it happened. Disclaimer: I have not seen the video.
eridius 12y ago
Good question. I haven't done any reading on this myself, I only know what my wife has been telling me, but my impression is that the video tape does exist and does show exactly what it's alleged to show, the only problem is it was thrown out (on a 4th amendment violation). Without the video tape, they couldn't get the felony convictions. But assuming the tape shows what is claimed, he seems pretty guilty.
- danielrhodes 12y ago
  He plead guilty to the charges.
  - mcphage 12y ago
    He pled guilty to the two misdemeanor charges; the 43 felony charges he pled not guilty to. The document is embedded there in the link.
- anonymousab 12y ago
  Wouldn't there be a case for some civil lawsuit?
  - defen 12y ago
    People are guessing there was some payout to the girlfriend, because she's not pressing charges and not talking to the press.
    - tiquorsj 12y ago
      Even without a payout this is very common in domestic abuse cases.
peregrine 12y ago
Considering he pleaded guilty to the charges?
- rosser 12y ago
  He plead to a reduced set of charges, all misdemeanors.
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rosser 12y ago
There's no need for consensus about whether or not he committed the alleged assault; the security system in his apartment captured the entire thing, all 117 blows. That evidence was apparently improperly seized, however, and hence thrown out for procedural reasons.
- nraynaud 12y ago
  "procedural reasons" actually means respecting human rights. He's pleaded guilty for misdemeanor. If you have some complaint about that, fix the police who shat on the procedure, denying a victim a probably well-deserved day in court. I can't believe everybody is pounding on the company board, when the real scandal is that the police destroyed such an important procedure. With a felony he would have automatically been removed, and nobody would be mobbing on someone who's legally only a petty criminal. Moreover, there is still this issue that justice is not about taking revenge on someone, but protecting society. There is, for example, the trouble that he twitted that he's innocent after pleading guilty, and that's a real problem for someone in a position of power, he's got a reality perception problem, combined with a tendency for violent domination I guess there is a big risk and he should probably be removed. But not in a mob attack and not based on illegal evidence.
  - randomfool 12y ago
    One's employment can be terminated for many things which are much less than a felony. The ability to treat others with respect and command the respect of others is critical for a productive workplace.
  - tiquorsj 12y ago
    The burden of proof for being a human piece of sh$t is lower than the legal bar for conviction. Items like "procedural" errors related to evidence that turn heinous crimes into misdemeanors can and should still be considered. This is not a situation where there is subtly to the crime. There is video. That video just couldn't be used in a court. It still happened. It still exists.

onedev 12y ago

It's really hard to argue with a 30min video that supposedly showed the entire thing as it happened. Disclaimer: I have not seen the video.

eridius 12y ago

Good question. I haven't done any reading on this myself, I only know what my wife has been telling me, but my impression is that the video tape does exist and does show exactly what it's alleged to show, the only problem is it was thrown out (on a 4th amendment violation). Without the video tape, they couldn't get the felony convictions. But assuming the tape shows what is claimed, he seems pretty guilty.

danielrhodes 12y ago
He plead guilty to the charges.
- mcphage 12y ago
  He pled guilty to the two misdemeanor charges; the 43 felony charges he pled not guilty to. The document is embedded there in the link.
anonymousab 12y ago
Wouldn't there be a case for some civil lawsuit?
- defen 12y ago
  People are guessing there was some payout to the girlfriend, because she's not pressing charges and not talking to the press.
  - tiquorsj 12y ago
    Even without a payout this is very common in domestic abuse cases.

peregrine 12y ago

Considering he pleaded guilty to the charges?

rosser 12y ago
He plead to a reduced set of charges, all misdemeanors.

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rosser 12y ago

There's no need for consensus about whether or not he committed the alleged assault; the security system in his apartment captured the entire thing, all 117 blows. That evidence was apparently improperly seized, however, and hence thrown out for procedural reasons.

nraynaud 12y ago
"procedural reasons" actually means respecting human rights. He's pleaded guilty for misdemeanor. If you have some complaint about that, fix the police who shat on the procedure, denying a victim a probably well-deserved day in court. I can't believe everybody is pounding on the company board, when the real scandal is that the police destroyed such an important procedure. With a felony he would have automatically been removed, and nobody would be mobbing on someone who's legally only a petty criminal. Moreover, there is still this issue that justice is not about taking revenge on someone, but protecting society. There is, for example, the trouble that he twitted that he's innocent after pleading guilty, and that's a real problem for someone in a position of power, he's got a reality perception problem, combined with a tendency for violent domination I guess there is a big risk and he should probably be removed. But not in a mob attack and not based on illegal evidence.
- randomfool 12y ago
  One's employment can be terminated for many things which are much less than a felony. The ability to treat others with respect and command the respect of others is critical for a productive workplace.
- tiquorsj 12y ago
  The burden of proof for being a human piece of sh$t is lower than the legal bar for conviction. Items like "procedural" errors related to evidence that turn heinous crimes into misdemeanors can and should still be considered. This is not a situation where there is subtly to the crime. There is video. That video just couldn't be used in a court. It still happened. It still exists.