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You're looking at it from the perspective of malfeasance/fraud. The other poster is looking at it from teamwork/management. They're not being "disingenuous". I

You're looking at it from the perspective of malfeasance/fraud. The other poster is looking at it from teamwork/management. They're not being "disingenuous". Ironically, speaking of trust/management, criticizing people's personal motivations like that is precisely one thing I'm taught not to do, for effective, healthy teamwork. (Whereas, if I must investigate antagonistically, like if a boss is harassing employees, I must assume the possibility.)

teacup50 13y ago
No, I'm looking at it from the perspective of simple rationality: SaaS does not mystically change the technical and legal nature of administrative access to communications over company controlled infrastructure. As for criticizing motivations, disingenuity was the more polite assumption compared to the alternative: that he is ignorant of the legal, technical, and historical context to the degree that he actually believes HipChat's changes are unique or novel or questionable in any way. Entities in a technologically privileged position are limited only by policy. The fact that he accepts that truth simply by relying on SaaS demonstrates the significant incongruity of logic at question here.
- etchalon 13y ago
  It's hilarious that you're implying it's hard to understand that the guy with the server password has can read everything. I mean, really? The entire point of my protest to this change is specifically to stop either myself, or any member of management team from having a "technologically privilege position". Your arguments about SaaS are irrelevant and juvenile. Just cause Atlasssian, or any SaaS provider, has access doesn't mean I, or my management team, should. Saying "well we run our email server in house so we just solve this problem with a policy" is fine.
  - teacup50 13y ago
    So you're OK with SaaS being protected by policy, but not the behavior of your own company's executive staff and delegated administrators? Hardly seems irrelevant to me, and the free pass you give to SaaS is nonsensical and hypocritical.
    - etchalon 13y ago
      You're either being purposeful dense or you have an agenda.
      - teacup50 13y ago
        Whereas you appear to be simply dense given your inability to see the hilarious hypocrisy of surrendering the privacy of yourself and others to SaaS vendor policies while calling them to task for giving you the equivalent privilege of policy choice.

teacup50 13y ago

No, I'm looking at it from the perspective of simple rationality: SaaS does not mystically change the technical and legal nature of administrative access to communications over company controlled infrastructure. As for criticizing motivations, disingenuity was the more polite assumption compared to the alternative: that he is ignorant of the legal, technical, and historical context to the degree that he actually believes HipChat's changes are unique or novel or questionable in any way. Entities in a technologically privileged position are limited only by policy. The fact that he accepts that truth simply by relying on SaaS demonstrates the significant incongruity of logic at question here.

etchalon 13y ago
It's hilarious that you're implying it's hard to understand that the guy with the server password has can read everything. I mean, really? The entire point of my protest to this change is specifically to stop either myself, or any member of management team from having a "technologically privilege position". Your arguments about SaaS are irrelevant and juvenile. Just cause Atlasssian, or any SaaS provider, has access doesn't mean I, or my management team, should. Saying "well we run our email server in house so we just solve this problem with a policy" is fine.
- teacup50 13y ago
  So you're OK with SaaS being protected by policy, but not the behavior of your own company's executive staff and delegated administrators? Hardly seems irrelevant to me, and the free pass you give to SaaS is nonsensical and hypocritical.
  - etchalon 13y ago
    You're either being purposeful dense or you have an agenda.
    - teacup50 13y ago
      Whereas you appear to be simply dense given your inability to see the hilarious hypocrisy of surrendering the privacy of yourself and others to SaaS vendor policies while calling them to task for giving you the equivalent privilege of policy choice.